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[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It always comes across to me as maximum cope when Americans brag about "winning the space race". I mean, even if it was true, the US's economy was massively wealthier than the USSR's. This "race" was literally between the wealthiest country on earth and a very poor country. Even at the height of the USSR, its GDP was only about half that of the US's.

It really does not show the US's "strength" to brag so much about winning against someone with so much less resources. It's a sign of weakness to actually even be in a "race" with a developing country to begin with, which suggests they are actually competitive and have a chance of winning.

That's really what the whole "space race" shows. It does not matter who "won", the very fact a poor developing nation could compete with the wealthiest and most powerful country on earth in the first place demonstrates the extraordinary weakness of the capitalist system.

The US only placed a man on the moon because of NASA, which they founded as a direct response to the Soviets launching Sputnik. Meaning, the US literally only implemented this space program as a response to the Soviets, they were not a natural outgrowth of the US's system and would not have happened without the Soviets (as we have seen NASA massively defunded ever since). The fact the US even got on the moon in the first place only happened because of the USSR.

That was back in 1969, and we're now in 2022 yet, funnily enough, the capitalist private sector has not got a man that far yet.

—aimixin

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It really does not show the US's "strength" to brag so much about winning against someone with so much less resources.

It really does show the US's strength when no country has nearly the same amount of resources.

"Everyone else being weaker than you does not show your strength" is a very odd take.

[–] JeffBozo@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With all that wealth plundered from the rest of the world they ought to perform better.

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure what you're arguing.

Yes, the US has a large amount of wealth. That is what makes them strong.

they ought to perform better

So you're saying they should be even stronger (than the strongest nation to ever exist)?

Or are you saying that "strength" is not about the total power one has, but about the efficiency with which one can convert resources into power?

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

big-honk Where did they get all that wealth from?

honk-enraged Where did they get all that wealth from, motherfucker?

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I never argued that they became strong using rightful measures.

But they did become strong.

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

So if you agree that the US obtained its wealth through plundering and imperialism then what the fuck was your original point? I don't think you have one and you're trying to debate just to debate.

[–] smollittlefrog@lemdro.id 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

My first comment:

It really does not show the US's "strength" to brag so much about winning against someone with so much less resources.

It really does show the US's strength when no country has nearly the same amount of resources.

That was my sole point. Noone having nearly as much resources as the US does show the US's strength.

It does not matter how they aquired those resources or how strong they could theoretically be.

My point was simple and clear from the beginning on: USA = strong.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Debate pervert