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Some of.those parties are not monolithical structure, PSOL have some good folks like Erica Hilton who wrote this proposal as well as Glauber Braga and Samia Bonfim, plus PCBR and UP also supported this project, and for Brazil they are as left as it gets. So I'm all for this movement is a return of the left in the streets, which is where the left thrives, in movement. This is the way for the Brazilian left get in touch with the working class who we've been loosing to the right for a long time.
You have a faith in psol thst i do not. I saw a lot of shit from them over the years. I wish things were as you say, but until we get anything concrete i keep my doubts. By the way, none of those parties go leftier than socdem with marxists phrasing. Pco is the only marxist party in Brasil
Oh it's the PCO person again. Just stop with this, it's embarrassing. You can't just claim PCO is the only marxist party in Brasil, specially when PCO is so fucked up.
Here's some examples:
PCO's own newspaper saying that doing an act during carnival against a colonizer and bandeirante is identitarian and against "our culture, heritage and heroes".
Here's PCO being both ableist and lgbtphobic on Twitter by calling you the r-word for using neutral pronouns. (It's full of right-wingers agreeing with the post in the comments)
PCO siding with Elon Musk for "unlimited freedom of speech" and against the ban of Twitter in Brasil.
PCO defending YouTuber Monark's "freedom of speech" for saying that Brasil should have a Nazi party.
And here's another one where they say they are against banning fascist parties.
Left-wing and marxist my ass. What a joke.
I thought it was someone who is on PCO side, leave it to them to be against the people, and they won't disappoint
Exactly. Also FreudianCafe is an avid PCO defender. I responded to them before on Hexbear and just like here they were hellbent on defending every single PCO stance uncritically while claiming it is the only Marxist and anti-imperialist party.
His talking points in this very thread are the exact same stance PCO is taking on the VAT movement you can find it on their news page. Literally aligning with the right, like PCO always do.
This person is just a reactionary in leftist clothing.
Everyday I come closer to believing the claim that PCO is just a bunch of nazbols.
I have no doubt about it I just believe that here on grad it's worthy to make explicit the incoherence of the argument independently of how credible or not is the person providing the argument, the argument must be undone on it's merits or more specifically their lack of merit
Oh I agree 100%, I was just providing further context of this person's views and behavior.
Ill take you as an ignorant person but with a good heart and advise you to inform yourself better
Its not about having faith on PSOL it's about trusting this particular motion, which is widely supported my many other parties, but you wanna treat PSOL as a toxic party while PCO has no problems agreeing with UNIAO or PL. Just look at what you are saying, that defending the workers in a subject that is a very historical left fight ia wrong? Who's side are you on man?
I did not say its wrong. I said its suspicious. But keep your faith in psol, they are pros in destroying it, just wait
I have no faith in that party, although I have much less in PCO, I just think that the streets are much too valuable a space to be left to the right to be the only occupied by the right. We need to fight for what is fair and what benefits the workers, and reducing working hours is about as clearly a good goal as they come, to be against that seems very concerning.
Pco is the only party that put people on the street about gaza. Is that an important issue? Because boulos said more or less he doest give a fuck about it
Yeah when did I say I support Boulos or that I'm a fan of PSOL? That's right I didn't and you can go ahead turning the blind eye to everything wrong PCO does, in this very post there's plenty, so you are either so fully enamored with the party that you simply don't believe the facts or you are someone that knows all the dirt and either don't care or agree, in any of the possibilities there is no prospect for a reasonable conversation, you will keep using PSOL as a reason to try to cool down a movement that has a lot of possibility, it carries some risk, every movement does, opportunists are always a concern, you for one must know them very well, but if we live in fear of opportunism we will live frozen allowing the right to keep growing, we (and I absolutely do not include you in this) need to seize this chance to advance real impactful participation of left forces in contact with the people, and please by all means keep PCO out of this movement, you are not missed.
Lol
As eloquent as I expected.
And very didactic that when the debate runs from the expected structure, of which you already have answers(most likely thought of by other people) at the ready you resort to trying(? Or at least I think it is) to discredit the whole thing, not a single argument not a single original thought, not an ounce of analytical thinking. You demonstrate perfectly why we don't like the organization that you either defend or is a part of.