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i can't even guess as to why they went quiet. not one guess at all. we will never know.

edit: well they're not quiet now once they get called out

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[–] SulaymanF@lemmy.world -4 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

I get you’re mad that Trump won, but you’re blaming the wrong people.

[–] enbyecho@lemmy.world 13 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Oh there are lots of people to blame. It's a long list!

[–] Fish@midwest.social 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 57 minutes ago) (2 children)

Agreed. Harris lost by more than 7 million votes. Leftists were critical of Kamala because she is pro-Israel, among other things. These "other things" are the reasons most people who abstained from voting didn't vote for her.

If Dems wanted to win then they should have had better messaging and policy. Kamala lost because her platform didn't appeal to most Americans. She never talked about anything that would improve people's material conditions, and instead tried to appeal to "fallen Republicans".

Harris didn't lose this election because of Gaza. She lost it because she ran a dogshit campaign. Democrats had nothing to be excited for so they didn't bother voting. People aren't as motivated to vote when they are merely doing lesser evil voting.

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

She lost by about 2.65mm.

And just a little over 230k in the States that mattered this time: Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania.

[–] Fish@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

What's your point? Harris had 7.4 million less votes compared to Biden in 2020

[–] roscoe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 8 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

It's only two sentences. It seems clear to me.

My first point is 2.65mm is neither 10mm, like you originally posted, nor the 7mm you edited it to. My second point is she only needed a little more than 230k where it mattered most this time.

[–] accarezzu@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

"other things" = she's a woman and a black one at that /s

[–] Fish@midwest.social 3 points 1 hour ago

When I say "other things" I am referring to her far right immigration policy, very pro-police and pro-military rhetoric, and her overall lack of policy that would improve people lives (for example, expanding Medicaid). All she ever talked about was subsidies for first-time homebuyers and small business owners. Both are terrible policy to be campaigning on for obvious reasons.

Running on the same platform as Biden was a terrible idea, and running on "I'm not Trump" was only ever gonna work once. When it comes to losing Democratic voters, I don't think being black or a woman had anything to do with it.

[–] Moneo@lemmy.world -5 points 4 hours ago

Liberals are so fucking obnoxious.

"How dare you vote your conscience"

Seriously go fuck yourselves if you think this. I've tried to reason with these people but they aren't willing to put themselves in the shoes of someone who couldn't stomach voting for Harris. Grow the fuck up, expand your viewpoint, and stop being a condescending prick on the internet, I fucking beg you.

If you're on the internet insulting anyone who didn't vote for Harris, you are the reason we're in this situation. You and your ilk are the reason the democrats can run a right wing campaign and then blame leftists when they (predictably) lose. It's honestly fucking pathetic.

Sorry I'm just getting so fucking tired of these people.