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On “Safe” C++: An Odyssey of Sneers (izzys.casa)

submitted 1 month ago by self@awful.systems to c/techtakes@awful.systems

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this post has been making the rounds on Mastodon, for good reason. it’s nominally a post about the governance and community around C++, but (without spoiling too much) it’s written as a journey packed with cathartic sneers at a number of topics and people we’ve covered here before. as a quick preview, tell me this isn’t relatable:

This is not a feel good post, and to even call it a rant would be dismissive of the absolute unending fury I am currently living through as 8+ years of absolute fucking horseshit in the C++ space comes to fruition, and if I don’t write this all as one entire post, I’m going to physically fucking explode.

fucking masterful

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[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I had no idea so much of C++ and the Committee was so closely linked to the military industrial complex. Like people who design fucking murder drones just casually send their requests to them and they read them and care? And Bjarne Cplusplus, the inventor of C++, helped Lockheed Martin on the F22???

No, seriously, sorry, I cannot put myself into a hypothetical headspace where someone sending me a letter "hello, we need this feature to kill civillians better, thanks" isn't interpreted as a prank, since if it weren't then the only acceptable response would be to return a pipebomb to the sender.

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 8 points 1 month ago

good thing Rust is only run by Palantir

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

ackshully F22 is not a civilian killing weapon, americans are very cagey about it, foreign sales are forbidden, can't operate from aircraft carrier, has been only flown and maintained by americans. its final task would be air defense of north american airspace in ww3 scenario. the civilian killing machines would be drones like MQ9 and since we're talking about turkey, bayraktars. that, and older multirole jets like F16 and helicopters and whatever ground attack aircraft they have. turns out things are much simpler if you're just slinging PGMs from above, or outside MANPADS range, against people that can't fight back otherwise. these things would be useless in normal war

i guess lots of code in f22 goes into radar, some other sensors (ir for example) and comms (link 16, communication to missiles etc), a place where i suspect c is a good choice

[–] self@awful.systems 3 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

the F22 is the C++ of military planes and I mean that in the most derogatory way possible

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 weeks ago

y tho

it outperforms f35 in few ways, and in ways it doesn't a couple of f35 improvements can be grafted onto it. both carry the same weapons. it's to f35 what is f15 to f16. still it's apex predator in air to air combat, which is precisely what it was made for

it's also no longer made, more expensive than f35 (partially because only qurter of planned number was made) probably a bitch to maintain (tradeoff in f35 is probably maintainability for a degree of stealthiness), and runs on i960 because the last ones were built like 15 years ago