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Israeli settlers in the West Bank, emboldened by Trump’s return and a far-right Israeli government, are pushing for formal sovereignty over the territory.

Settlement activity has surged to record levels under Prime Minister Netanyahu, with nearly 6,000 acres designated as state land in 2024 and dozens of new outposts established.

While settlers see this as fulfilling Biblical claims, Palestinians view it as erasing hopes for a future state.

Critics warn annexation could jeopardize regional stability and U.S.-brokered normalization efforts, such as those with Saudi Arabia.

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[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

You put so much work into this post but it is hopelessly naive. Most people are just downvoting but I'll break it down.

Let's say the "Bavarians" from your example win the lottery. Who is a Bavarian? How many generations of Bavarians back of both parents being Bavarians do we go? It's ridiculous.

If you include immigrants to Bavaria, we go right back to skin color racism, so you need "pure bloods". What about the family that moved to Bavaria in 1879 from Congo?

We are a global society whether we like it or not, and "simple" things like electricity and home water access will definitely stop if 90%+ of the population of earth is eliminated.

You seem to be speaking under the assumption that we will become a spacefaring species, colonizing planets. This is highly dubious with current and predicted technology. If you eliminate most people, do you think this could possibly happen? I personally don't think it will ever happen.

Oh you're religious. Nevermind. No point in discussion of the future when you believe there is a dimension we magically travel to when we die.

Thank you for voting. Please continue to vote if we have the option of true elections in the future.

[–] MonkeMischief -2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh you're religious. Nevermind.

Man, you were on a good logical counterpoint streak until you seemed to feel the burning desire to jab an ad-hominem in there.

Otherwise all good points.

Please remember the human being behind the post. <3

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

I shouldn't have said that. You're right. It just boiled me when I got to the point where they're thinking these evil people are going to hell. Believing in afterlife punishment or reward causes people to ignore the reality of life. I feel the same about the ridiculous concept of karma.

I didn't downvote you, that was someone else.

[–] MonkeMischief 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

No hard feelings. :) I understand it's an emotionally charged topic.

Believing in afterlife punishment or reward causes people to ignore the reality of life.

That's a fair perspective, but I think like many things it can shift wildly based on the individual's existing tendencies.

For example, I believe in an afterlife and the persistence of the human soul, but that spurs me to do the very best I can in this life and be accountable for it, rather than waste it.

While, as you said, others inclined to apathy might use that perspective as an excuse to loaf or not hold bad people accountable.

Could not the same be said of not believing in an afterlife? This belief could cause one to value every waking second of consciousness they have... ...or they could use it to justify inaction, because "In the long run, what matters anyway?"

Just a thought I had is all.

In either case, perhaps apathy and indifference are our biggest foes.

But hey I appreciate your reply and thanks for not taking my response the wrong way either. I hope you're doing well today. :)

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

The naivety is in assuming you'll get support from a group you're literally murdering or from people who recognize the damage that supporting such behavior does within a group of people whom a significant percentage identify as a minority population.

If you watch someone curb stomp another person for no fucking reason you dont walk over and high five them. You actively disassociate from that person because they're fucking nuts and dangerous.

All you assholes did was tell a significant portion of people that you'd happily curb stomp them at the earliest convenience. At the same time you tried to gaslight them with disingenuous arguments about protecting them and other minority groups.

If you're unwilling to protect one minority group from a fucking genocide who the fuck is going to think you'll protect them from harassment? Access to mental / healthcare? Economic opportunities? Safety within their communities?

You wouldnt even bother to stop a fucking arm sales and you think you can gaslight people by holding up other minority groups as possible victims as reasons to support your candidate? Fuck off with that noise.

Yet here you are already tossing another minority group under the bus

Oops! And you wonder why we dont support you or buy your morally bankrupt philosophy to enable your behavior.

You're literally the rapist whispering in their victims ear just let it happen or steve is going to get his chance to do this to you. Its disgusting.

I cant stress thus enough: Kindly fuck off.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

You're assuming I'm a Democrat or a liberal. I am neither. I am a leftist. Currently democratic socialist, but could go over to full socialist if that works well. Then I could move on to anarchist if socialism works well.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 hours ago

I didn't assume anything about your political associations they're irrelevant to your support for the above.

[–] ManixT@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Enjoy your genocide. It's going to get a lot worse.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

what a boring and tired take. as we've told people repeatedly: genocides can't get worse. they can only move faster or slower. the end result is the same. biden/harris committed themselves to actively supporting the genocide.

What you're saying is that israeli atrocities will be more open and reported on which will make you feel more uncomfortable with the situation. well you've certainly earned it by burying your head in the sand and not holding biden/harris accountable early and seriously enough that they'd change course.