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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 30 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

Reminder that World War 2 had a gradual unfolding of declarations of war across several months or longer, depending on how you want to fuck that pig. I think we're already in the onset of WWIII, in some sense.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 25 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

The thing is, if NATO is worth anything at all. Hitting a NATO country would bring a lot of declarations in a very short order. It would get very WW3, very quickly.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 14 points 10 hours ago

Same way you go bankrupt; slowly, and then all at once.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

That's assuming Europe wasn't economically stretched already, and America didn't have an incoming president who wasn't more interested in fellating Putin.

[–] r00ty@kbin.life 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Even if there's financial concerns in Europe. We DO have reasonably strong airforces, modern weaponry and several nuclear enabled countries. I think it would be a big risk to take in their current position.

My main concern is Trump tries to coerce Europe to leave Ukraine to fight alone. It all depends on how much in Putin's pocket he is.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago

He's so far in Putin's pocket that he's snuggling up to his nutsack.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

and America didn't have an incoming president who wasn't more interested in fellating Putin.

That is a bit of a wildcard, isn't it.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not sure we're on a path to WWIII if it's Russia vs everyone else. If China decides to get involved then maybe but I don't see any evidence they're willing to throw in with Putin, same with Iran.

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world -1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

There's a 100% chance that Trump will send troops to Iran in the next year.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

No there's not. Where are you getting this absolute certainty from?

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Trump's relationship with Netanyahu and the relationship between Israel and Iran.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

That doesn't necessarily equate to there being a 100% certainty of boots on the ground in Iran though, does it?

[–] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

The Israeli government pushed for "judicial reform" last year prior to the war with Palestine. People were saying that they were doing it in order to go into Palestine and then the big attack by Hamas happened and gave them an excuse. Tensions with Iran and Israel have escalated when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader in Iran over the summer and Iran responded with missile attacks on Israel. I believe that after Trump takes office there will be something that happens that will be "the last straw." Maybe it will be "WMDs", hiding Hamas leaders, or some big attack by Iran. It's going to happen.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm still not sure why you're so certain about this. You're speculating that something might happen and yet you said that there's a "100%" chance of US boots on the ground in Iran.

As awful as Trump is, his first term wasn't nearly as hawkish at that of other republican presidents.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

That's terrifying because WW3 risks the use of nuclear weapons and every model of nuclear exchange that has been run always escalates to mutual assured destruction with billions dead and the end of civilization.

I just finished listening to the audiobook of Nuclear War: A scenario by Annie Jacobsen. Highly recommend it.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 7 points 8 hours ago

Civilization's kinda shit anyway. We had a ~~good~~ run.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

The real slippery slopes are graded much less steeply than you'd expect

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 4 points 9 hours ago

Are we in the Spanish Civil War type pre-phase of WWII?