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[–] Denidil@lemm.ee -3 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

People going around claiming the Democrats are neoliberal immediately after they leaned super hard into unions is some serious gaslighting horseapples.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

they leaned super hard into unions

Biden supported unions before and after the railway workers strike, but Biden still felt the need to kill the strike. Supporting unions enough so that they get incrementally better deals is pro-union, but it does not a progressive make. We need radical systemic change to our institutions and Biden is ideologically incapable of delivering on that for the economy, the Ukraine War, Israel's genocide, climate change, or immigration to name a few.

[–] Denidil@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You never paid attention to the follow up on this one did you?

the reason the strike was killed was because it was "thousands of working people vs millions of working people". The Democrats voted to insert the contested item (sick leave) and the republicans blocked that vote (Which had to be separate because stupid legislative rules).

However the Biden administration kept fighting in the background for the unions to get their sick leave, and eventually won. The unions even posted articles celebrating Biden getting them their sick leave.

that situation was a complex one and a reminder to not view the world in black and white.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

that situation was a complex one and a reminder to not view the world in black and white.

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/

There is little evidence that the current administration has any interest in dealing with this crisis. Our hope is that a Biden administration would be historically bold. But make no mistake that both our political and economic systems will collapse absent solutions that scale to the enormous size of the problem. The central goal of our nation’s economic policy must be nothing less than the doubling of median income. We must dramatically narrow inequality between distributions while eliminating racial and gender inequalities within them. This is the standard to which we should hold leaders from both parties. To advocate for anything less would be cowardly or dishonest or both.

The 1% have extracted 50 trillion dollars from the bottom 90%. It's time we side with labor in no uncertain terms.

the reason the strike was killed was because it was “thousands of working people vs millions of working people”.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/more-than-500-labor-historians-condemn-bidens-intervention-in-freight-rail-dispute/

The second reason Phillips-Fein finds the labor fight compelling is because of the way Biden framed it, as a choice between the interests of railway workers and the economy as a whole. But he didn’t have to do that. “The president could also embrace a sensibility that more explicitly identifies the interests of the country as a whole with those of the workers and their unions, rather than seeing them in opposition,” she said.

Biden is a pro-union neoliberal. We need pro-union progressives and socialists with a populist narrative to campaign on.

[–] Denidil@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Neoliberals are anti-union. there is no such things a a pro-union neoliberal. All you're doing is showing that you have no idea what you're talking about, and making the rest of us leftists look like idiots by your company.

as for your stupid vice link, i see you and raise you the actual unions involved: https://www.ibew.org/media-center/Articles/23Daily/2306/230620_IBEWandPaid

screw your kiddie-pool-depth faux-leftism.

Neoliberals are anti-union.

Neoliberals are institutionalists. Unions are institutions. So no one should be surprised when a neoliberal like Joe Biden incrementally improves things for unions and their members.

i see you and raise you the actual unions involved

My argument is not that Biden did nothing, but that he could and should have done more. The president should leverage the full power of the executive branch to benefit workers. There is no need to capitulate to the owner class and break strikes. Incremental changes will not correct the fifty trillion dollar transfer of wealth from the bottom 90% to the top 1%.

screw your kiddie-pool-depth faux-leftism.

The incremental changes your argument is unsuccessfully attempting to justify are neoliberal policies. The fact neoliberal policies benefit unions does not change the fact that they are incremental changes. Your argument is not a leftist argument, but a neoliberal argument pretending to be a leftist argument. Your argument relies on name-calling and ad hominem attacks in an attempt to distract from this deception.

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