this post was submitted on 10 Dec 2024
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Ye Power Trippin' Bastards
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This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
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Given current events when you said depose you clearly wanted to say kill, but didn't want to break the rules... Nobody likes a rules lawyer.
Your advocating for violence, just with extra steps.
The wonderful thing about Lemmy is, you can organize your violence, you just have to do it in a forum, and on an instance, that allows it. Which is not the community you got moderated from. They very clearly do not want to talk about organizing violence there
A moderator who posts the rules, and enforces the rules as posted, is a good moderator, even if you don't like the rules.
Depose doesn't have a necessarily violent connotation. Your being unaware of the word's meaning and inserting your own is wild.
In OPs very own self quote, they use Delay, Deny, Depose - the exact wording and catch phrase from the recent high profile murder. That is a call to violence for a reasonable reader, and the message was not lost on the moderator.
If they had only said Depose, without the other context, I would actually agree with you.
Technically it's an assassination (killing with political intent against a major person, who may or may have ruffled many average people's lives)
Assassination is a type of murder.
It is, but did it come unwarranted? After all, a normal person like you wouldn't be the victim in some sort of who shot Mr. Burn-esque situation.
Healthcare denial is a form of murder that affects far far more people.
Supporting the continuation of this is an extreme call to violence.
Please, Mr. Bonerelli, stop displaying your imbecility.
I don't believe even explicitly calling for netanyahu's violent death (which is what I'm doing and vividly imagining right now) counts as a 'call for violence' as that yet unroasted pig is halfway across the world and protected by vast resources. He should die though, is that ardent belief of mine against the TOS? Will some IDF soldier read my opinion here and get "programmed" by my sultry sexy call to assassinate his leader?
Fuck that shit, I don't have that kinda skill but I'll be damned if i'll mince my words. Ill do it again, see? Someone should kill him. I'm calling for his death. If that gets me banned fuck it, that just means I'm on the wrong comm.
If I said "Bibi is a dickhead who has been committing genocide and denying it, he's gonna get capped for this, it's the natural progression of things", would that be calling for violence?
no, I don't think that would be a call for violence.
The purpose of this community is to evaluate if a moderators actions were reasonable, not to validate the contents of posts for their political or ideological correctness.
I think the moderator had clear rules, and followed them reasonably.
Then why is "Bibi is denying and delaying in service to genocide, next comes depose" calling for violence?
Quoting myself from a different branch.
Again, we are evaluating the fairness of moderation; This moderator has a clear rule, and is following it reasonably. Even if they err on the side of over cautious its still a reasonable moderation decision.
If they had just said depose, it wouldn't have the implication of assassination happening, while we've established that acknowledging that assassination is the logical progression of Bibi's shitheaddery is not the objectionable part.
You see, if you had said this was blasΓ© towards a violent outcome, I would agree, but I would not agree that it's advocating violence.
My issue is not so much with the removal as the reasoning. This casts a MUCH wider net for 'calling for violence' that, realistically speaking, would need to be applied to a much larger swathe of comments than is probably wise to be consistent.
While the original comment is maybe a little ambiguous, itβs very reasonable to assume this is a call for violence in the current context.
OP even confirms that was their meaning in the title of this thread.
Fair enough, we differ on our interpretation.
I don't think there is any issue with the moderator, or their moderation decision demonstrated here.
Lemmy is a textual language based medium; Moderators are developing reputations by their actions. There will always be a requirement of interpretation. I don't see anything problematic here.
Totally agree. Would "will no one rid me of this turbulent ~~priest~~Netanyahu?" be censored too? Most likely.
Violence is part of life and part of politics, like it or not. While a lot of liberal-minded folks in the US screw their noses up in disdain at this fact, anyone who has read a history book (or read the news lately) knows that violence is sometimes that only way to end oppression. Instead of considering the violent act of killing that sociopathic CEO as the problem here, they should recognize that the legal system in the US is designed to protect the rich and keep the poors under the boot.
I honestly think a lot of them are still labouring under the delusion that the legal system is fair and justice is blind. They want us all to follow the letter of the law, no matter how unfair, unethical and corrupt the legal system is. I get that they don't want to get into any personal legal trouble, but ffs they need to grow a spine and actually stand for something instead of engaging in massively over-the-top policing of their communities.
If Trump enacts a law requiring people to report to the police every time they hear someone say anything critical of his government, then I wonder whether the LW admin team will roll over and comply with that law too? How willing are they to be collaborators with new fascist government policies? Sipping cups of tea with your new neo-Nazi neighbours might be the "civil" thing to do, but you had better get used to them living next door, because history has taught us you don't get rid of Nazis by being polite to them. Oops, was that another "call to violence"? Better turn myself in then...
Its a PTB as far as I'm concerned - maybe not from this specific mod, but from the admin team as a whole. Just because it's a rule they have decided to adopt, doesn't mean its a good or just rule.
Moderators are gardeners and each community is an allotment. Some gardeners want wonderful flowers, some want heart veggies, some even want extra spicy peppers.
If a moderator makes it clear what the rules are for the garden, and they follow their own published rules... Then they are being a good gardener. If you buy a ticket for the tropical arboretum and when you get inside you see they haven't been weeding, then you would be rightly upset.
Lemmy is wonderful because so many voices can be heard in many places on different topics. Everyone here saying 'yes it was against the rules, but that shouldn't matter in this case' is being unfair to the moderator who is behaving reasonably.
There is no shortage of communities here where people can be as spicy as they want to be.
I love reading your comments here. So many people lately keep trying to tell others what to do, with so few reflecting the spirit that "I may not agree with you (or whatever, regardless), but I'll defend to the death your right to do it." Ironically the mob mentality reminds me of the simplicity of fascist thinking. Person 1: "Spin up an instance, create a community, or just use different words and you can do whatever you want!" Person 2: "No, you will do as I say, and like it."
I believe .world is hosted outside of America, but I mostly agree with the main point.
Why yes, I do unconditionally advocate for NetanSShatu to get
'd by a Fajr-5
It's YDI (you did it yourself) in this case
nerd!
Not calling for his ~~death~~ deposing is calling for genocide which is a much much greater violence.
Perfect example illustrating my point, right now people are using very weakly coded (depose) language to call for more murders.
I don't know why y'all are so angry at the moderators, nobody has told you that you are wrong, nobody has said don't talk this way, the moderator simply wants you to organize your criminal conspiracy to commit murder someplace else... reasonable given the rules of the community.
Someone should make him into an hero.
Archaic code of the Myspace era.
he should 41
archaic code of the 4chan era.
Man why did you people ever leave reddit? You clearly agree with the direction that company took and how the site was run.
I love Voyager, because you can tag zionists so that anytime you see a post from them, you can downvote it, no matter what it is.