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So let me get something straight.
USA and China: tariffs, sanctions, proclamations of a trade war (spoken from trump, unspoken from Biden), inching towards an actual war.
Yanks get a week visa free.
Russia and China: massive trade, ever growing flow of resources in exchange for products, infrastructure projects to make said resource flow grow bigger still, proclamations of "friendship without limits".
Russians require a visa with no change in sight.
Am I getting it right?
As much as we’d like China to be principled like the USSR, they aren’t. At least not yet, the PRC continues to pursue a realpolitik strategy as they feel they can position themselves as necessary for the West. They are arming themselves quickly but are not yet in a position to face the US militarily. China has learned from the “mistakes” made from socialism’s first experiments. The weakness of capitalism is that it cannot go to war with a nation so crucial to its economy. Even if the war hawks want war with China, even a proper full blown Cold War, the business elites will intervene. China has realized with Climate Change that the business elites that control the nation will feed in the through of profits even at the risk of their own annihilation.
This means China can avoid an unfair advantage that capitalists broadly and the US specifically had at expanding Empire, that war is profitable to capitalist nations therefore the expansion of military goals served a dual purpose. However socialist nations have no use for war after they industrialize, it’s just a waste of labor and resources that could go elsewhere. As long as China maintains the balancing act where the US begrudgingly has to keep China as an ally of sorts, then China can have time needed to become richer and stronger. The USSR for example had to become stronger while poor in its infancy, it was able to still get ahead from the early days of the Union, but who knows how much wealthier they could’ve been if they weren’t bogged so much down in war?
The US is looking at India, Vietnam or Brazil or whatever for possible ways to allow the US to decouple from the PRC, but they know that even in the best case scenarios that would take decades as China quite literally sells the US rope to hang themselves. China set up a master plan and the US fell for it with Deng and the following leaders as the US was licking its lips hoping to see China become a capitalist nation and fed it its manufacturing out of greed and allowed China to grow its high-tech modernity and Global competitiveness as the US knows its growing China’s productive forces but can’t stop it.
China needs to hold this pattern, whether we’d like to see them reacting a different way, if it hinders the larger plan, it would be all for naught. The US is in a very precarious position, even small in dips in quality of life enrages a population that has little actual patriotism, asking the population to engage in an “arduous march” to cut off China right now is laughable. So they’re stuck.
Russians have a 10 day free transit visa, in which they must provide proof that they're traveling to another country afterwards.
https://www.chinadiscovery.com/chinese-visa/240-hour-visa-free-transit.html
not great but its something
Curious, I was going off of the information from the Russian tourism agencies, which only cite 14 day visa free visits to Macau and Hong Kong. Thanks!
there is visa free travel from Russia
https://www.chinadiscovery.com/chinese-visa/visa-free-countries.html
Hainan isn't really mainland, is it?
it's not, but still travel to China :)
Yea but thats only to Hainan, which is the farthest part of china from Russia lol, it's around the distance from Mexico to Canada.
True, just pointing out that it does exist. Northern provinces certainly be easier to get to from Russia. :)
They do have a 10 day transit visa free but need proof of departure afterwards, same for México 😞 i doublechecked.
Hopefully that expands at some point.
I'm not so sure the neoliberal ruling class in Russia wants their working class visiting such a successful socialist state. People might start to get ideas about what they could have had if their own socialist state hadn't been illegally dissolved.
I mean, would the USian ruling class want to have their working class visiting a successful socialist state?
No, but the implication here is that the Russian state has hinted at or explicitly stated to the CPC that they do not want visa free travel for their population and in order to maintain friendly relations, the CPC has obliged. Since the west has essentially taken friendly relations off the table, they don't have the leverage to do the same. This is of course all speculation and I hope that as Russia and China grow closer diplomatically, they will eventually be granted these same privileges.