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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Demonstrably false.

“The actual data show that some of these kind of heroic, Hollywood moments of armed citizens taking out active shooters are just extraordinarily rare,” Mr. Lankford said.

In fact, having more than one armed person at the scene who is not a member of law enforcement can create confusion and carry dire risks. An armed bystander who shot and killed an attacker in 2021 in Arvada, Colo., was himself shot and killed by the police, who mistook him for the gunman.

It was twice as common for bystanders to physically subdue the attackers, often by tackling or striking them. At Seattle Pacific University in 2014, a student security guard pepper sprayed and tackled a gunman who was reloading his weapon during an attack that killed one and injured three others. The guard took the attacker’s gun away and held the attacker until law enforcement arrived. When a gunman entered a classroom at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte in 2019, a student tackled him. The student was shot and killed, but the police chief said the attack would have had a far worse death toll had the student not intervened.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

65% Stopped without a gun

34% Stopped with a gun

15ish% of Americans carry sometimes, around 7% always.

Gotta be honest, those numbers are looking pretty good if only 7% of people always carry but 34% of shootings were stopped by one of those 7%. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that a good majority of the remaining 65% weren't stopped with a gun because nobody there had one at the time. Same for the ones that weren't stopped by any bystanders armed or otherwise.

In at least one of those police just stood outside with theirs for two hours.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that a good majority of the remaining 65% weren’t stopped with a gun because nobody there had one at the time.

And yet there is no way of knowing that, so you're just making an unprovable assertion. I showed data.