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Summary

In 2024, conservative-leaning online spaces emphasizing traditional masculinity gained mainstream influence, driven by figures like Joe Rogan and trends like the “tradwife” movement.

Platforms like X, under Elon Musk’s ownership, became hubs for anti-“woke” sentiment, while podcasting further amplified right-wing ideas.

This cultural shift mirrored Trump’s election victory and reflected backlash against progressive gender norms.

Though some view these spaces as promoting traditional values, critics warn of growing misogyny and radicalization in the “manosphere.”

The rise of such spaces highlights deepening political polarization online.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Sorry, I guess I took your word “blame” to mean it isn’t her fault and hence my comment about legality.

But let me answer from an emotional perspective:

I don’t think people should feel bad for her cause she isn’t a teenager, an adult should know better that there is no free lunch. Trying to get rich off of your 15 mins of fame won’t be honest work.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don’t think people should feel bad for her cause she isn’t a teenager, an adult should know better that there is no free lunch.

She's 21. The same age millions of Americans are when they're tricked into high-interest loans and credit cards with massive APRs. Plus payday lending.

I feel bad for all of them despite them being adults that "should know better that there is no free lunch." Why wouldn't I feel bad for her? She's a victim of the same fucking system that raises every American child to believe that they'll be rich and successful one day, they just have to do whatever the fuck they can to get there.

She didn't go to college. She worked in a factory before she got well-known. Since when do we expect people like her to be educated enough to understand a crypto scam just because they're over 18? She probably didn't even know what crypto was the day she signed the contract. Why would she? All she knew was people were going to make her rich and when was she ever told to not trust such people? She was told the opposite all of her life just by living in America.

And I am astounded people can't see that.

Again, that doesn't mean she doesn't have any responsibility here. Ignorance is no excuse. But that also doesn't mean she doesn't deserve any sympathy.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And I am astounded people can't see that.

I do appreciate that you’re coming from a place of empathy.

But since there is a divide in perspective, maybe I can clarify.

Most people draw the line somewhere for agency. By this argument, even evil politicians “deserve empathy”.

Here is an alternative take:

Empathy is an emotion made by evolution for the benefit of society. It’s good to feel empathy because it helps guide people back to good morality.

That becomes ineffective when they refuse to listen. Imo that’s where society correctly draws the line on agency and empathy.

If people tell you, hey, what your doing is not right but you want your payday anyway, it benefits society more to put social pressure on the individual (judge them) instead of empathize with them.

So right now, she is so far gone that having empathy is not gonna change her, collectively disapproving of her has a better chance, hence the judgement.

So I don’t disagree with empathy, I just think you got to draw the line somewhere.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If people tell you, hey, what your doing is not right but you want your payday anyway,

Who told her that? Because I'm saying no one told her that. At least I didn't see anyone tell her that.

I did see a lot of slobbering over her and/or mocking her because she was frank and open about her sexuality though, along with a lot of people doing everything they could to cash in on the fame of someone who was given nothing more than an American grade school education with which to know when and how to use her agency.

Apparently none of that is worth discussing or worth any pity because she committed a crime.

And I have to say that it is an interesting contrast to many other people who commit crimes that do end up hurting other people and yet still get sympathy for other reasons. There are worse people in prison right now who have gotten sympathy. I remember a lot of sympathy for Richard Reid because of the path he was led down and because he was clearly not smart enough to not be tricked into trying to blow up a fucking plane.

I've also heard a lot of sympathy for one of the Boston Bombers because "he was just a kid and he didn't know what he was doing." He was 20 years old. He killed six people and injured close to 300 others.

But this lady? Fuck her. No sympathy whatsoever for anything that has ever happened to her. She is a real criminal mastermind.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Who told her that? Because I'm saying no one told her that. At least I didn't see anyone tell her that.

I mean, she literally got told by the entire internet that she had her 15 mins of fame and she should move on when she started a podcast.

Maybe your in different Internet spaces than me, but I fully remember people saying she should move on and live a normal life.

Apparently none of that is worth discussing or worth any pity because she committed a crime.

I judge her because she wants a get rich quick scheme when the rest of us are doing day jobs. She seems shallow and willing to do anything to be rich and famous.

I’m not going to respond further because I’ve already told you why people judge her. It’s a subjective anyway, hence why you have the right to not judge her the same as others do to do otherwise.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I mean, she literally got told by the entire internet that she had her 15 mins of fame and she should move on when she started a podcast.

Maybe your in different Internet spaces than me, but I fully remember people saying she should move on and live a normal life.

Maybe not in her internet spaces. How many of those people had any sort of contact with her.

It’s a subjective anyway

It certainly is, which is why apparently someone who kills six people is more deserving of sympathy for exactly the same reasons she apparently is not.