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In 2024, conservative-leaning online spaces emphasizing traditional masculinity gained mainstream influence, driven by figures like Joe Rogan and trends like the “tradwife” movement.

Platforms like X, under Elon Musk’s ownership, became hubs for anti-“woke” sentiment, while podcasting further amplified right-wing ideas.

This cultural shift mirrored Trump’s election victory and reflected backlash against progressive gender norms.

Though some view these spaces as promoting traditional values, critics warn of growing misogyny and radicalization in the “manosphere.”

The rise of such spaces highlights deepening political polarization online.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Rise? How long ago did they write this? Were a solid decade past rise. It rose.

[–] neidu3@sh.itjust.works 27 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 8 points 14 hours ago

Yeah this is like the past decade.

[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Hawk tuah (/ˌhɔːk ˈtuːə/ ⓘ HAWK TOO-ə)[a] is an internet meme originating from a viral YouTube video posted in 2024. During a street interview, Haliey Welch used the catchphrase hawk tuah, an onomatopoeia for spitting or expectoration on a penis during oral sex, specifically, fellatio.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawk_tuah

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Haliey Welch

Did her parents spell her name wrong on the birth certificate and then just run with it?

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

She is young enough to have been part of the normal name spelled stupid trend that was common in the 90s and 2000s. Which as an aside whoever started that trend needs to be set on fire, if only for the misery they inflicted upon bureaucrats.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 36 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

I don’t understand what hawk tuah has to do with this but I haven’t listened to her podcast. Is she pushing right wing ideas or something?

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Any desperate meme shit like this circles the bowl and gathers in the gutter. The gutter is a place exclusively run by conservatives so they can catch failed actors/comedians and the latest conservative criminal clown on parade (I.e. Rittenhouse, protest gun couple, etc) She's probably fine enough, but was likely vulnerable and is now fully surrounded by a grift cocoon (hence the crypto bullshit). She's also likely drinking her own kool aid by now, getting fed coke and kept on a constant schedule to keep her on the hamster wheel. They'll milk every drop and especially "spit on that thang" as it all burns out and the grifters infrastructure drastically discounts the condoms with her face on them in the merch store as they move on to the next pray in the headlines. Conservative soccer moms will then buy graphic year with her face on then for $4 after it becomes a bargain basement licensed meme like the grumpy cat.

We live in a cloud of shit.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 24 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Wikipedia says she's from Tennessee. That's the only thing that hinted at conservatism that I've seen

[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Apparently she got involved in a big crypto scam or something too. Not sure if that makes her explicitly right wing though.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 9 hours ago

Memecoins aren't a scam. You can't say that someone who is selling dog shit is scamming people when they tell you that its dog shit.

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 26 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah it seems like an unrelated thing that the author is trying to force to fit the trend their article is about.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 7 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I mean, she ran a crypto rug pull. If I had to guess...

[–] LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So I’ve heard but I don’t really see the connection between that and the manosphere stuff the rest of the article is about. Con artists who take advantage of publicity have always been around.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 160 points 1 day ago (5 children)

If they think this started in 2024 the author is wildly behind the curve...

Bannon got involved with WoW gold farming as a money making scheme 20 years ago, and he commented on how impressionable young kids in videogames are, and how they could be influenced in games to agree with conservatives.

Which led to GamerGate.

Like...

It's good they finally realized it's happening, but I doubt they have any insights since they still don't understand

[–] ccunning@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gamergate is precisely when I noticed the start.

Even then it was peripheral to my interests so I was slow to realize its significance.

I was today years old when I found out Bannon was involved but am 0% surprised to find out. In fact it makes it all make more sense.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 55 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Here's a decent article:

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/07/steve-bannon-world-of-warcraft-gold-farming.html

But the craziest part is what got Bannon the money to farm WoW gold, was he got a good chunk of Seinfeld syndication rights.

He used that money for the gold grift, then after finding:

What Bannon found was a world “populated by millions of intense young men” who may have been socially maladroit, but were “smart, focused, relatively wealthy, and highly motivated about issues that mattered to them.” While these were the same players who destroyed IGE’s business model, Bannon saw something he could use. “These guys,” said Bannon, “these rootless, white males, had monster power. It was the pre-Reddit.”

He then took that money. And that knowledge about that group to:

Bannon would go on to aggressively court this audience when brought on to help Andrew Breitbart build out his ultra-right-wing news-and-entertainment site. It was Bannon who hired Milo Yiannopoulos, recognizing him as someone who could whip up disaffected gamers. (Indeed, Yiannopoulos — who previously had no interest in gaming — rode Gamergate and its attendant rage to fame and page views.)

So basically we could blame trump and everything fucked up on Larry David, and while I'm not a fan of Curb, I feel like I've seen enough that Larry would find the humor in it.

The important part though. Is the far right are actually doing the groundwork and trying to get the youth on their side, and have been for decades. Dems just don't do that as a party.

Bill and Obama had amazing youth outreach, and they easily served two terms despite not delivering on campaign promises.

Biden and Hillary didn't really put effort into the youth, and we don't really have a large political machine that runs constantly, just huge pushes every four years of "vote for me or they'll win!".

People who are surprised with recent elections are just looking at too small of a timescale.

It's why I'm so hyped for the chance of Ben Wikler for DNC chair, he understands all that stuff and wants to turn the DNC into something that's constantly running and working instead of a mad push every four years where no matter how much is raised, the party always ends up bankrupt the day after an election.

We need long term planning and strategy, not treating every election like nothing else matter.

Dems focus on the battle, Republicans focus on the war. And that's why they keep winning despite most Americans disagreeing with them.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

The Seinfeld bit isn't true. Larry David himself went through the catalog and couldn't find any funding from him or to him.

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[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

The far right has been there from the jump. The KKK used to pull armored truck heists and use the proceeds to buy computers so they could collaborate on the early internet.

[–] Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I haven't heard this before. Source?

[–] kibiz0r@midwest.social 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 47 minutes ago)

They were called The Order, and I misremembered their constituency: more neo-nazi than KKK, although one of their goals was to be a bridge between the two groups.

Apparently they made a movie about them recently, of the same name, so I’m finding it hard to search for info about the group itself, but I recall hearing the computer-buying tidbit from Behind The Bastards and being able to find a source for it online.

In case you wanna continue the hunt: I believe it had a sepia-tone picture or illustration at the top of the article and it was a long-form story not a current event piece. I also recall they were specifically Apple II computers, but searching podcast transcripts for the word “apple” yields a flood of results for “apple podcasts”, so not much help there.

This tool seemed promising, but didn’t quite get me there: https://podscripts.co/podcasts/behind-the-bastards/

Wikipedia can at least corroborate the armored car bit:

Their later robberies were more effective, including a bank robbery, followed by a series of three armored car robberies. In the armored car robberies, they took a total of $4.1 million, including their final armored car robbery near UkiahCalifornia that netted them $3.8 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_(white_supremacist_group)

Edit: Part of the problem with the podscripts approach may be that the transcripts are far from perfect:

Beam admitted that he had set up computer billet and boards for different fascist groups around the country,but denied that these boards were used for any illicit communication.

“Billet and boards” instead of “bulletin boards”

Edit 2: Ooh, I think I posted the source on Reddit at one point, and I haven’t scorched-earth’d my comments. I wasn’t able to find it doing site:reddit.com “kibiz0r” armored trucks but you might find it that way if you experiment a bit.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago (27 children)

I honestly feel bad for that woman's journey regardless of her politics. She got famous for being open about her sexuality, and then a bunch of old men like Bill Maher slobbered all over her, and then she got suckered in to sponsoring a crypto scam that she obviously had no understanding of, and now she's facing potential legal trouble for it.

She's basically been taken advantage of every step of the way because she's apparently not especially savvy enough to figure that out and really the only reason is that she's conventionally attractive and frankly sexual. For the Bill Mahers and crypto bros, that was enough to exploit her in every way they could.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 28 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

At some point, you need to hold the figurehead accountable for the scam so that other potential future figureheads will know to do some research before putting their name on illegal shit.

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[–] sirico@feddit.uk 58 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She's a grown adult I'd be with you, but she was defending the coin pretty hard in that Coffeezilla segment, she took advantage of the 15 mins as much as possible and in a lot of ways succeeded. If she didn't know what crypto was and what happens when influencers get involved with it, she shouldn't have exposed her fans to it, but she saw the bag and went ahead.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Because, like so many other Americans, she was taught to grab on to that brass ring and don't let go if people notice you. I don't blame her for that either.

I'm not suggesting she isn't still responsible for her actions, and if she is charged in the crypto scam, so be it... but I still feel bad for her.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 15 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Your first paragraph feels an awful lot like you are suggesting she isn't responsible for her actions.

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[–] Free_Opinions@feddit.uk 25 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

The fact that I have no idea what "Hawk Tuah" is means I'm doing something right.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 44 points 22 hours ago (34 children)

Being unaware of popular culture isn't a badge of honor. There's nothing wrong with not knowing what Hawk Tuah is but don't pat yourself on the back for it lol

[–] moseschrute@lemmy.ml 16 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I disagree. Fucking skibidi toilet living rent free in my head.

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