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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)

It's the right half! (Dumb people getting rich without head start is incredibly rare)

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Behind the Bastards covers a few of them. IIRC Dr. Oz grew up poor and went to medical school on scholarship.

He's not fuck you money rich like Bezos or Musk, both of which lucked into the birth lottery.

Though tbf, Oz got rich by scamming people out of their money with endorsing supplements that don't work.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Becoming a surgeon and serial scammer sounds like he lacked morals not intelligence.

morals are a flaw on an individual level and only remotely beneficial in the context of greater society, intelligence is something you can never have enough of.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I agree there should only be two categories, but I think "birth lottery" should be a subset of "dumb luck," not the other way around.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I cannot think of many dumb people who got rich by themselves. Unless they win the actual lottery instead of the birth lottery

[–] grue@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"Dumb luck" doesn't imply the person is dumb, just that the quality of their decision-making had no bearing on their success. Even geniuses can have dumb luck.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Unless they win the actual lottery

Not only overwhelming most of lotteries winnings, while looking good to us bareass paupers, are pittance compared to wealth of people who are rich, but also people winning lotteries lack the foundations rich need to remains rich (second chart) and usually lose everything pretty fast.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think sports is where it’s most common. People who weren’t born rich but had the genes, drive, and luck to get into the sport in the first place can get pretty rich when they get to the highest level of competition.

[–] crater2150@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago

but had the genes

I'd say that falls under "birth lottery" as much as wealth inheritance.