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I would suggest not starting with the premise that the problem is "White America." These folks don't speak for White people, not even remotely, and buying into that falsehood is exactly what they want.
The idea of a white America to begin with is inherently toxic, tbf. American whiteness is a construct made by ruling elites once they realized that the Irish and Italian immigrants were going to outnumber the British-Germanic descended citizenry.
I mean, the United States is something like 75% white, so its mostly white. Right?
The problem is batshit crazy racists, violent gun-obsessed lunatics, and other combo mental health/social indoctrination problems.
And yes, by statistics those people are 75% likely to be white, too. And wouldn't you know it, stats for mass shootings show that's pretty accurate.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/
Maybe we all need to stop blaming race for everything. Maybe it's just America.
it's more like 60% white
statistics regarding "mass shootings" are ALWAYS misleading because the definition of "mass shooting" is way more broad than most people realize. More than 1 victim = mass shooting. So if there's a gang shootout between 3 or more people, that's a mass shooting. Someone shoots their cheating spouse and the person they cheated with? Mass shooting. It's very rarely the kind of planned terroristic thing people associate the term with.
I think your overall point is still valid but I wanted to clear those things up.
Good details, thanks for adding.
You're missing the point.
I'm not going to say it any better than MLK, so I'll just leave the link here.
White America is the problem. Sure, moderate white Americans are so much less terrible than outright racists, but a complacent majority that is happy to reap the benefits of an unjust system, simply because it is the comfortable path, is one of the major reasons why it's so hard to make movement against those racists.
Labeling an entire group of people “the problem,” based on a superficial demographic trait is prejudiced and unhelpful. You often alienate the very people you want help from. Rather than using a superficial trait that has nothing inherently to do with the problem, target the problem itself: the problematic ideology.
I don’t care to debate this, tbh. If you really think white people are the problem you’re just being racist too, and I have no patience for that.
You're absolutely right, I'm sorry. Let me try that again without mentioning race, in a discussion about race inequality.
Now, let me check my notes on who benefits from an injust system of racism in America...
"white America" is another description for white supremacy in the US. What you're recommending is to dismantle systems of oppression without dismantling white supremacy. I hope you can see how that's a problem without me explaining it.
Then say the problem is White supremacy. Saying the problem is White America sounds far too much like saying the problem is White Americans, especially to someone who's not educated on racial issues in the same way you are.
Let's go back to that MLK quote then.
Uh... do you wanna elaborate on what you mean there? Because what I'm inferring seems kinda bad and I don't wanna put words in your mouth.
Only among people who desperately need to touch grass
You’re apparently under the delusion that all White Americans are White supremacists, which—as I said to the other respondent—simply means you’re racist.
I’m always amazed anti-White racists can’t work out they’re making the same mistakes every other racist is making. You’ve actually deluded yourselves into thinking you can’t be racist against White people. How you fail to grasp such a simple concept as judging an entire group of people based on their skin color, while simultaneously claiming you understand it better than anyone else is beyond me.
You can't be racist again white people because they are the majority. You can be prejudiced sure, but racism doesn't work that way. White people literally rule the world, so call them racist if you like, but they still have all the power.
That's just your way of justifying your racism against Whites. It allows you to create double standards for behavior based on skin color, which you've just demonstrated. I don't have time to debate racism with racists, so I won't be responding further.
I think using that MLK quote should be considered a form of Godwin's Law at this point
Can you do me a favor and scroll back to the top of the thread and remember how the conversation started? Invoking Godwin's here about MLK isn't really the point you think it is.
Invoking the same MLK quote that's been making the rounds recently isn't the win you think it is.