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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

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[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Kouachi brothers were Algerian

They were both French, born in Paris. Their parents were Algerian.

You're not saying "but where are they really from" are you?..

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And why were their parents in France and not Algeria? Why did they have to leave their homes to raise their children in France?

Because of French colonialism in Algeria! Because their country was underdeveloped and used as a source of cheap labor and resources and subjected to the horrors of a military occupation by a colonial power! You can't just isolate immigration in a vacuum without analyzing the impacts of imperialism and colonialism on migration.

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The brothers went to Syria to train and attempt to fight in Iraq against the Americans. They stated their motivation was the abuse carried out at Abu Ghraib by the Americans.

Then they trained in Yemen

They were eventually assoiated with al-Qaeda in the Arabian peninsula

They expressed a desire to kill Jews, Chérif Kouachi specifically stating that he wanted to firebomb Jews

Targetting Jews is what their accomplice, Amedy Coulibaly, actually did attacking a Jewish supermarket

Kouachi stated his motivation was "avenging the prophet Muhammad" and retaliating against the "killing women and children in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan"

Jews, America, a media company. Not the French state. They have never cited Algeria as their motivation. You really shouldn't be erasing their identity and narrative and substituting your own. That's quite colonial of you...

sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercacher_kosher_supermarket_siege

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/01/13/world/kouachi-brothers-radicalization/index.html

https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/from-orphans-to-terrorists-journey-of-the-kouachi-brothers-1.114610

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/former-teacher-of-kouachi-brothers-says-they-were-not-intelligent-enough-to-resist-extremism-9973318.html

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I didn't say Algeria was the motivation, I said it was the antecedent. French colonialism is the reason their parents had to leave their homes and the reason that these men were French in the first place. It's not like this is ancient history.

Now as for hatred for Jews and America, all that too ties back to imperialism and neocolonialism. Their hatred for Jews is obviously tied to the fact that there's a Jewish-supremacist ethnostate in the middle east (that France supports) and which touts itself as representative of all Jews. Sadly, this results in blowback onto Jewish people who are not Israeli.

But they're still French so still pay their taxes to France which sends weapons to Israel. It's only very recently that France decided to stop sending weapons to Israel, but when these attacks happened France was fully complicit in Israeli settler-colonialism.

And most notably, France is a key American ally. America creates blowback that falls onto its allies.

Blowback is complicated, but it's undeniably the root cause. They even said so! My point: we have to analyze all of the context surrounding the attack. "French" Algeria, the War on Terror, Israeli settler-colonialism, etc etc it's all connected.

You are the one determined to erase their motivations by just making it about cartoons. It's not.