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The kind that thinks communism is the same as nazism and thinks communism is when the government does things.

I hate liberal brain worms.

They seriously do as much damage to the left as fascists by punching to the left and spreading capitalist anti-left propaganda. They overall weaken leftism and help fascism.

We need more left unity, folks. Fash ain't gonna bash themselves. left-unity-4

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[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Asking anarchists to stop criticising statists and being against statism and vanguardism is big enough of a compromise that you're basically asking them to stop being anarchists.

But funnily enough, no left unity person, no matter how vehement, ever asks MLs to stop believing in or expressing their beliefs of anything. Because MLs think they are "the default leftism", and anarchism is a divergency. So then, left unity would be bringing the divergency back to line.

But even accepting that belief, that's not unity. That's assimilation. Unity would be finding a place in between the two. Which is impossible because means cannot be disentangled from ends. The "anti-sectarianism" of Hexbear is just as you show it is, "MLs, but anarchists can hang out if they shut up". They want anarchists to be useful idiots to them.

[–] Dirt_Owl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

The "anti-sectarianism" of Hexbear is just as you show it is, "MLs, but anarchists can hang out if they shut up". They want anarchists to be useful idiots to them.

My brother in Christ I have loudly posted pretty much the entirety of Kropotkins Mutual Aid and no one has ever told me to shut up.

[–] Kuori@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

your desperate desire to be "oppressed" online is embarrassing.

[–] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i'm no ML but anarchists should read the jakarta method.

anarchists should be able to see that cuba, china, vietnam, laos, and north korea are far preferable to american hegemony despite all their flaws, and that contextually an anarchist uprising in cuba would immediately cause the island to fall to imperialists. You don't have to like states to understand that you kinda need one when the dominant mode of geopolitics is relations between states.

i'm here for anarchism when the bigger threat of capitalism is gone or if anarchists can get something going in the imperial core but i don't see any examples of successful movement building comparable to the BPP.

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You don’t have to like states to understand that you kinda need one when the dominant mode of geopolitics is relations between states.

You are asking me to accept that a state is necessary - i.e you are asking me to stop being an anarchist. Once again, the only one that has to compromise in this "left unity" is me, and the compromise is so big I have to completely stop being myself. On your end though, there is nothing. This is exactly what I'm pointing out. You're just saying it in nicer words.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

jesus-christ Thank God you're contained to the internet (like most of us). You would be getting people killed in real life.

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Funnily enough it is the statists that most often kill the anti-statists "in real life" but okay, you do you buddy.

[–] Rod_Blagojevic@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is only the second time in my life I've engaged with someone who used the word "statist". The first guy was a libertarian, and the second is you, an anarcho-natoist. I guess the implication is that a state is inherently bad. What the state is used for is inconsequential. Funnily enough, in the real world we evaluate what's goid and bad based on material consequences, not baseless ideals pulled out of your ass. This has the same rigor as liberalism.

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

This is the usual tactic of attacking your use of specific words instead of the essence of what you're actually saying. Use inspect element and replace "statist" with the word you'd like me to use instead. I'm not gonna do that for you.

Anarchism isn't baseless or pulled out of anyone's ass. You can disagree with it, but to claim literally no material analysis of the state and/or its consequences, or the relations and dynamics of power and hierarchy exists, is just plain ignorance, no different from a conservative feeling the authority to look down on marxists when they have only skimmed the communist manifesto. If you are interested I can link you to some things, if you are not, just own up to it and say so.

[–] grazing7264@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

LMAO fucking LARPer complaining about "Statists murder anarchists!" do you have any other state department talking points you'd like to walk us through?