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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Hebdo_shooting

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Charlie mostly draws satire of people in power or with influence. Do you think they only do that to be offensive?

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, speaking truth to power is an important part of satire and political discourse in general. I haven't seen the original cartoon but if that's what it was then I'm all for it, though Muslims are very marginal in France and don't hold much power.

This was in response to all the people, including a lot in this thread, that also probably haven't seen the cartoon but want it published everywhere and for us to show more pictures of Muhammed. In that case people are valuing something not because of its message but because it offends and "triggers" people, which is the same rational for some of the worst right wing "comedy".

Offensiveness can be a means to an end, such as showing the corruption of the powerful, but when it becomes an end unto itself it simply becomes cruelty.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 1 day ago

Indeed, that's why those cartoons don't target Muslims but the islamists or politicians (Islamism is a political ideology) who try to influence others.

I think what they do is really different from the people in this thread posting offensive cartoons for the sake of freedom to do so. In fact, freedom of expression is much more regulated in France than in the USA. If you post racist content with no indication that it is a satire or some other good intention, you can get condemned for racism. The former leader of the far right party Le Pen who just died yesterday have been convicted multiple times for his racism in the media.