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I've historically voted 3rd party. This past election i voted for a party that did not represent me or the policies I support, all out of fear of orange man. What did compromising my values do? Fuck all.
Voting 3rd party in America sends the message to the losing party that if they wanted that vote there is policy they need to adopt. There are things they need to change.
Issue in this election is even if every 3rd party vote went to kamala, she would have still lost, because they ran THAT MUCH of a terrible campaign. Their message was tone deaf. It was generic and lifeless. I could have been a better campaign manager for them and frankly that's sad.
People get pissy when you criticize dems, but the fact of the matter is they are very much the problem in this country too. Saying they aren't as bad as Republicans only speaks to just how awful they are, not how good dems are. Until people recognize this and demand change everyone is going to be stuck supporting one of two evils or maybe a 3rd party can steal enough support to replace one of the main 2.
All that hinges on trump not going full dictator. At this point I don't have confidence enough Americans would actually stand up to stop him.
Me too except biden in 2020. And then immediately from the start it was endless frustration, disappointment and anger. Gaza is inexcusable. Fuck the democrats. Fuck America. This country got exactly what it fucking deserved. Karma for meddling in the rest of the worlds affairs by the capitalist imperialist uniparty that pretends to be at odds with each other over social wedge issues yet is United in keeping the entire world under its boot. Now america gets to experience the collapse of the imperial core.
Needless to say I didn’t repeat my mistake of voting for democrats in 2024. I’ll never vote for them again.
And? Voting 3rd party would have done fuck all for you too. And you wouldn't have been helping to potentially keep an anti-democratic felon rapist from the Oval Office.
It also helps anti-democratic felon rapists become the most influential person on the planet. People who adulted up and voted Dem instead of 3rd party in 2020 did actually prevent that person from taking office. It isn't a full-proof plan. But it works sometimes.
Maybe so. But you aren't accounting for the MASS misinformation being peddled to Americans. We just elected an anti-democratic felon rapist. That isn't normal. That happened because the internet is frying a ton of American's brains and they aren't acting rationally because they're so misinformed. The guy about to be sworn in as our leader went off on a tangent about immigrants EATING OUR FUCKING PETS and Americans absorbed that shit hook, line, and sinker. As far as I'm concerned stupid Americans are more to blame than a shoddy campaign. Especially since the other guy's campaign consisted of TALKING ABOUT IMMIGRANTS EATING OUR PETS and mentioning that he had CONCEPTS OF A PLAN.
Personally, I get pissy because I actually bothered looking up both party's voting history and criminal conviction history and I know voting Dem is a WAY, WAY better option for average Americans than voting Republican or 3rd party at this point in American history.
Lol. This isn't a video game. There's no cheat code. No 3rd party has done the work to get representatives elected locally across the nation, slowly building a coalition to eventually get enough clout to put up a presidential candidate that stands a chance. That involves years, decades, of back breaking work. Anyone that tries voting for a 3rd party candidate in a presidential election now, or anytime in the near future, is living in a deep, deep fantasy simulation.
Guess those 3rd party voters should have put their fantasies aside and voted intelligently. Too late now.
If every third party vote had gone to kamala she would have still lost substantially. The dems shitty campaign, not allowing a democratic primary (repeatedly) and tone deaf policies/messaging is what caused them to lose the easiest election ever. Full stop. They're not going to ever change. Thinking grassroots will take over the party shows you aren't paying attention. Thinking ranked choice voting will swoop in and save the day shows you aren't paying attention.
But ranked choice voting was passed a while ago and upheld in a recent referendum in alaska. State level electoral reform is the way forward to viable third parties.
(IMO STAR voting is better than RCV, but either is a vast improvement to our current hostage situation known as First-past-the-post voting)
There is a growing number of states that have banned ranked choice, even on the city level. Many of these same states prohibit voter led ballot initiatives. In case you were wondering, their state reps are stacked primarily on one side of the aisle. What's your solution to overcoming that?
You done the right thing, don't fall for the psyops.
Kamala's campaign was not that terrible in comparison to the state of Trump. Your fellow citizens failed you by letting that eejit gain ground.
I am an anarchist. I've never voted. (Not American) But, Bush, Clinton, Obama, much of the same. Trump takes us down a dangerous path. One in which dissident and protest will be squashed.
All of which already has been going on for decades by both capitalist imperialist parties. Kent state in the 1960s for example!
Yes that’s when it started. We’re now at the exponential stage with the nations pick running on shooting protestors, executing leftists and putting ‘vermin’ in camps.
No offense but you are not American, who is us?
The world. More immediately, the west. Him and his daft son already meddling in our countries affairs.
That sounds quite interesting! What do you do that relates to or supports anarchy? (Except not voting obviously)
Counter-economic shit (Agorist).
Helped launch/run the first darknets (pre-silkroad), currently in crypto pushing the p2p monetary movement.
Got any fun reads on this p2p monetary movement? I'm quite interested.
Some good long reads here
https://agorist.xyz/
Not sure about fun, these maybe a bit more compact tho
https://ergoplatform.org/en/blog/2021-04-26-the-ergo-manifesto/
https://docs.ergoplatform.com/uses/cbdc/
And plenty of interesting things being worked on
https://docs.ergoplatform.com/uses/chaincash/
https://docs.ergoplatform.com/uses/lets
https://docs.ergoplatform.com/eco/reputation-system/
This. So many people are trashing Kamala's campaign while completely ignoring the dumpster fire campaign Trump ran. Probably because Trump being a dumpster fire is just commonly accepted by now. The guy talked about immigrants eating people's pets and admitting that he only had concepts of plans. It was comical.
But everyone has to focus on Kamala's campaign because Democrats have ALWAYS been held to a higher standard.
She had to be flawless and he got to be lawless.
Shameful.
The Trump campaign is only a dumpster fire if you're a blind centrist who refuses to recognize the strength of the enemy.
The Trump campaign was exactly what his voters wanted. It was hours and hours of their god king and his cronies yapping their mouths about any racist thought that popped into their head. He brought up all the problems that his supporters are facing, and he promised change. It didn't matter that his ideas for change are stupid, or lies, because his opponent was outright denying there were problems at all.
You can hate Trump as much as you want, but his campaign was clearly, grossly more effective than Harris. Whereas Democrats were arguing over all the blunders Harris/Walz was making, the Republicans were lockstep behind their golden god who promised to make all their wildest dreams come true. That's how you win elections in the U.S., and it's why everyone with a brain knew the election would be contested in the best case scenario.