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Trump did the same with white American males.
What are the steps are to undo toxic radicalization?
Education, the problem is they don't want to change
Education comes in many forms not just formal
Interacting with a large variety of people can really help to bring them back
But yeah, they have to be willing to change if not then it's going to go poorly
Maybe they can get their GED and higher ed while they're in prison for the various crimes they commit.
Meaningful connection. A lot of these people are in these places because that's what they lack and think they've found.
Similarly to cults, few people escape these mindsets without somebody reaching out to help them.
The truly terrifying thing is, as the article shows, a lot of them are already retreating from their loved ones. After that, who is left to be able to help them out?
Conversely de-radicalization may not be needed.
I think people sometimes over-invest in the concept of redeeming these people. But actually focusing on them and their problems is doubling down on the validity and importance of their positions.
I advocate ignoring them and focusing on creating political power that we can actually use to advance our causes. If they come along, great. If not, consign them to the dustbin of history.
This is complicated when the people involved are emotionally close to you. But in general this is my philosophy.
I mean that's great and all, except these people that you've consigned to the dustbin of history are now going to actively fight against your causes.
I think that some of them are too far gone but really this toxic environment needs to be fixed or else worse things will come from it. When you say "they should be ignored", that's part of the environment that causes these men to become the next shooter, or maybe just jump off a bridge because they have a conscience.
Whether you like it or not, you need these people to make the right choices, and part of that starts by fostering a more inclusive environment.
They were always actively fighting against any sensible cause though. Ignoring them won't change that at all.
Also we definitely don't need these people. We won 2020 and 2022 without them.
If our collectively ignoring them results in bad outcomes, that is their responsibility, not ours. They are fully-functioning adults and if they want to be taken seriously they must start acting like it. Because I (and I think most Americans) are done being threatened or cajoled by brittle men who think their opinions matter when, both practically and ideologically, they actually don't.
No more think pieces about why Americans in rural towns are being left behind. If they can't figure out that they're leaving themselves behind, at this point, that is entirely on them.
That's a really disappointing viewpoint to have. These are people, and while a lot of the existing ones who have already fallen for the alt-right rhetoric may be too far gone, we should still take steps to make sure more young men don't also fall into that trap. Which includes being more supportive and inclusive regarding men's issues.
Being a person does not necessarily make one worthy of being pandered to. If it did, why are they not dismissing all their political concerns to pander to mine? Why must I stop what I’m doing to cater to them instead of vice versa?
No; this is halfway. Let them come if they want. If not, politics and progress will continue without them.
I'm sorry but is giving a shit about other people a political concern? Jesus Christ that's a hot take. Good luck with that
Ask that of them and then get back to me.
I would but it's mainly children we're talking about preventing from going down the cis male -> alt-right pipeline here. Not random chucklefucks on Twitter