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No opinion on the matter, but can I just say that calling famous and powerful men incels, or trying to redefine the meaning of "incel" as "generalised misogynist" is a foolish endeavour that makes us look like idiots to whom words have no meaning everytime we do it. The word incel has a meaning, it's literally shorthand for "involuntary celibate". Elon Musk, Andrew Tate, etc are definitely not incels. This is obvious to everyone. They are misogynists of course, but by definition they are not incels, which is/was a word that referred to a specific type of misogynist that blames society for their celibacy, which does not apply to rich and powerful men, obviously. It's just bad propaganda, and calling rich and powerful men incels honestly reads like cope at the state of a society that rewards the type of behaviour they engage in.
Words have meanings and these meanings are not and never have been limited to their most narrow etymological origins. Incel being a shorthand for literal "involuntary celibate" does not mean it is never allowed to mean anything else, much as auspicious does not mean it is seen by looking at birds. Incel at this stage refers to an online subculture and it even means this in languages other than English where neither involuntary nor celibate are used as words.
I'm on the fence, people like Tate are attached to the Incel political movement whether or not they fit the literal meaning of the word.
Like you're correct in that they're not literally celibates, what that's not really what "incel" means anymore in common context.
Agree with your first two sentences, but uhh what's is going on with the rest of your comment? I've never heard that argument and don't see the need to insert that into the comment. Maybe I'm lucky that I've never heard that before.
People use it, the same way liberals were calling Trump and Putin the F-slur (e.g. "yeah I bet Putin effs trump in the A") in order to attack Trump as being a Russian asset or whatever.
It does remind me of the discourse around “Karen” or “boomer”… saying that someone in their 20s could be “boomer” or a some guy could be a “Karen”, when that’s not really what people think about when you use those terms or how they were intended to be used. Not really a fan of filtering out “incel”, but we should still be clear on terms.