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A space for masculine folks to talk about living under patriarchy.
Detoxing masculinity since 1990!
You don’t get points for feminism, feminism is expected.
Guidelines:
- Questions over blame
- Humility over pride
- Wisdom over dogma
- Actions over image
Rules (expansions on the guidelines):
- Mistakes should be learning experiences when possible.
- Do not attack comrades displaying vulnerability for what they acknowledge are mistakes.
- If you see good-faith behavior that's toxic, do your best to explain why it's toxic.
- If you don't have the energy to engage, report and move on.
- This includes past mistakes. If you've overcome extreme reactionary behavior, we'd love to know how.
- A widened range of acceptable discussion means a greater need for sensitivity and patience for your comrades.
- Examples:
- "This is reactionary. Here's why."
- "I know that {reality}, but I feel like {toxicity}"
- "I don't understand why this is reactionary, but it feels like it {spoilered details}"
- You are not entitled to the emotional labor of others.
- Constantly info-dumping and letting us sort through your psyche is not healthy for any of us.
- If you feel a criticism of you is unfair, do not lash out.
- If you can't engage self-critically, delete your post.
- If you don't know how to phrase why it's unfair, say so.
- No singular masculine ideal.
- This includes promoting gender-neutral traits like "courage" or "integrity" as "manly".
- Suggestions for an individual to replace a toxic ideal is fine.
- Don't reinforce the idea the fulfillment requires masculinity.
- This also includes tendency struggle-sessions.
- No lifestyle content.
- Post the picture of your new grill in !food (feminine people like grills too smh my head).
- Post the picture of the fish you caught in !sports (feminine people like fish too smdh my damn head).
- At best, stuff like this is off-topic. At worst, it's reinforcing genders norms..
- If you're not trying to be seen as masculine for your lifestyle content, it's irrelevant to this comm. If you are trying to be seen as masculine, let's have a discussion about why these things are seen as masculine.
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*The Will to Change: Men, Masculinity, and Love by Bell Hooks
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Getting girls being the primary focus of men is a product of patriarchy. That you are less of a man if you aren't having sex.
It's so hard to do because what you're asking for is a reactionary podcast (one premised on and reinforcing patriarchy) that moves people left. That's a huge contradiction to start. Maybe you could smuggle in healthier views about sex and gender but people aren't stupid, they smell through that, and they'll just go to other media.
Left wing media and communities like this one should be breaking down this kind of thinking and helping men to find other avenues to define themselves through.
I think the response to this is what about the left wing incels? Do left wing men just not have sex? And my bad answer is - kindof ya. Left wing men should be pursuing relationships with all kinds of people. Friendships with women and people of all genders and no gender. If you have close relationships with people, sex will come. Maybe that means you have sex years layer than some of your peers- and ya that's what it means to stop using your patriarchal advantages to get sex.
If your goal is to sex women at a bar, then of course right wing media is the place to go.
Some people want leftist to reinforce the very same cultural foundations that uphold capitalism, caused many to be leftists in the first place and is anathema to what generations of socialists have been preaching about. Like what is a "Chad" nothing other than a man that conforms and excels the patriarchal expectations? And for what to chase and gain "respect" by a nebulous crowd of normies because all commies are limp-wristed "nerds" who read books or something? Isnt that just assimilation back into capitalism?