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[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

To be fair, both Ghandi and MLK Jr. showed that there is an alternative to violence that can be very effective in gaining support.

That being said, I do think the Black Panthers/Malcom X were very instrumental in the civil rights movement. I think the leadership saw two options: work with MLK Jr. or deal with the Black Panthers.

Of course, the FBI, amongst other groups in power at the time were able to successfully thwart MLK Jr.'s attempt at educating people about class consciousness. MLK Jr. wasn't just fighting for equal rights among racial lines, but also economic lines.

Hell, Jesus Christ was able to start an entire religion based in nonviolent protest based around class consciousness. Of course, that religion has since been perverted, but the point still stands.

[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 10 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

They only worked with the threat of violence if they failed.

And they've both been WAY watered down in modern tellings....

[–] vin@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 3 hours ago

Gandhi could grind the whole subcontinent to halt just by asking. It was economic violence in a sense.

MLK and the Civil Rights Movement have been majorly white-washed since they happened. That narrative is a big reason why protests since have been largely ineffectual in the US.

MLK supported the Black Panthers and Malcolm X and said that the only reason that he didn't do anything more than the sit-ins and such was because that was already illegal and anything more could get them all jail time. And he was still seen as being just as violent as they made BLM out to be.

The Million Man March was seen as a threat of violence by white America. If he could get a million people to mobilize in the capital and shut down the entire city, what else could he get them to do?

Also, civil rights were only put into law after a full-on week of violence that burned down entire sections of cities and did millions in property damage. Years of protests led to flowery words. A week of riots saw the bills written, voted on, and codified into law.