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[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I hate to say "I told you so", but there it is. Nothing is in place to stop Trump and Netenyahu from going truly scorched earth on Gaza and the West Bank now.

Time to see what a real, unmitigated genocide looks like.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm sorry but did you think they were using kid gloves before?

[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There are an estimated 2,000,000 people in the Gaza strip.

We can continue this discussion in 4 years.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

There are an estimated 2,000,000 people in the Gaza strip.

And this offends centrists and republicans alike.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Lol wut. We've been watching unmitigated genocide for over a year

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee -3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

We wouldn't be having this conversation if it were an unmitigated genocide because every Palestinian would already be dead.

Israel, courtesy of the US, has enough firepower to wipe out the West Bank and Gaza several times over. Yet it never happens. Why?

Perhaps, Netanyahu and his ilk have something to gain by keeping the conflict active.

But ultimately they want to take the territory. They dream of making Gaza, specifically its beach, a tourist destination.

Trump is going to help make all of this happen sooner than it would have. He wants peace in the Middle East to be one of his legacies and the quickest means to that end is to give Israel what it wants.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm Jewish. The Germans committed an unmitigated genocide for a long time, but here we are talking.

The definition of genocide does not require you to kill all of them.

Israel will never succeed in killing all Palestinians, and they still have committed genocide

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Holocaust was mitigated by the allied forces and their victory in WW2.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 0 points 1 day ago

By that logic, every genocide was mitigated when it ended

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

We wouldn’t be having this conversation if it were an unmitigated genocide because every Palestinian would already be dead.

I submit that the Holocaust happened even though there are still Jewish people.

Israel, courtesy of the US, has enough firepower to wipe out the West Bank and Gaza several times over. Yet it never happens. Why?

You seem so disappointed.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Holocaust was not a territorial dispute. Completely different situation. Also I would not call it an unmitigated genocide. It was mitigated by the efforts of the allied forces.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

territorial dispute

Holy fuck. This is now the most disgusting mealy-mouthed euphemism for genocide I've ever seen. Shame on you.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Sadly, territorial disputes can result in genocide, as we have seen in this case.

It's also interesting to see how quickly (in less than a generation) the victims of a genocide can become perpetrators of one. It says something, quite demoralizing, about humanity.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 13 hours ago

Sadly, territorial disputes can result in genocide, as we have seen in this case.

How nice of you to finally admit that it's a genocide.

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You know genocide doesn't require any death, much less the extermination of the entire population right?

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You may have missed the modifier 'unmitigated'

[–] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 day ago

I'd argue it doesn't change anything about a genocide

[–] ieatpillowtags@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

They’re doing it as fast as they think they can get away with.

“Oh he could just carpet bomb all of Gaza and he hasn’t, ever think about whyyyyyyy”?

What an utterly ridiculous premise, and you’re explaining their actions on this? Just so pathetic.

[–] shawn1122@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

They're going to think they can get away with it much faster under Trump.

[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If that's what you think, then stay tuned!

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] ubergeek -4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Nothing was in place to stop it under Biden , either.

[–] maplebar@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

If that's what you think, then stay tuned!

[–] TheOtherThyme@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Guess you missed this then Biden Announces Ceasefire Deal Between Hamas, Israel in Farewell Address > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News https://search.app/v45EpUMM6EFahfwTA

[–] ubergeek 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember when George Bush announced "Mission Accomplished"?

And remember when right after it was announced, Israel attacked Gaza again?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Centrists think people should be happy with the announcement alone.