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[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 11 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This is a bad take.

Paywalls are the norm of traditional journalism. People got so used to a bunch of spammy, ad-fed, click bait journalism and now many are not willing to pay for good articles.

I wish there was a better way to discuss these kinds of articles. There are sometimes gift links which are best for smaller group discussions... But nobody's found a model that isn't the mess that is ads that also allows "free viewing."

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Eh, newspapers amd magazines had ads, they were just easier to skip

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They also had subscriptions... And paywalls... You had to buy them from a newspaper stand or subscribe to have the paperboy deliver them...

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 0 points 15 hours ago

Yes, I'm aware. That's an extension of what you said that I responded to.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Paywalls are the norm of traditional journalism. People got so used to a bunch of spammy, ad-fed, click bait journalism and now many are not willing to pay for good articles.

Huh. You're not wrong. Newspapers were classic user-fee newsfeeds.

But you could give away your paper when you were done. Is that early BitTorrent?

[–] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 1 points 15 hours ago

I don't know; it's one of those weird things where digital "cost to copy" being cheap really makes things problematic.

Unlike BitTorrent you were giving away your access to that item and possibly never getting it back; we don't really have a standard way of doing stuff like that in the digital era. The closest thing we have is very clunky, greedy, and intrusive DRM systems.

[–] criitz@reddthat.com -1 points 2 days ago

Other differences: When you bought a newspaper you got a physical product. You could read it, keep it, frame it, craft with it, or whatever you want. It took labor and machinery to create and distribute. The online article costs nothing to make, isn't something you can keep or use in any way, in fact at any point you might lose access to it.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

See my response to sometime else about this a bit further down, if you like.

But I disagree it's a "bad take". I just didn't word it as clearly at I should have.

[–] leisesprecher@feddit.org 0 points 2 days ago

I don't know if that was ever different, but I'm pretty sure that a lot of that is journalists taking themselves way too seriously.

Even the paid sites are often enough filled with tabloid level crap, fluffed up news agency printouts and those god awful "reports" that start with a 500 word description of the door of the interviewee. That's not journalism and most people are not willing to pay for that.

I tried several subscriptions over the years and honestly, the articles that really added something can be counted on one or two hands. I'm sure I missed a lot of good and valuable articles, but I'm not ready to sift through tons of crap to find a few gems.