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It's becoming clearer and clearer that we're looking at a seismic shift in the US's relationship with the world, between:

  1. The US dismantling its foreign interference apparatuses (like USAID 👇)
  2. Marco Rubio stating that we're now in a multipolar world with "multi-great powers in different parts of the planet" and that "the postwar global order is not just obsolete; it is now a weapon being used against us"
  3. The tariffs on supposed "allies" like Mexico, Canada or the EU

This is the US effectively saying "our attempt at running the world is over, to each his own, we're now just another great power, not the 'indispensable nation'."

It looks "dumb" (as the WSJ just wrote) if you are still mentally in the old paradigm but it's always a mistake to think that what the US (or any country) does is dumb.

Hegemony was going to end sooner or later, and now the U.S. is basically choosing to end it on its own terms. It is the post-American world order - brought to you by America itself.

Even the tariffs on allies, viewed under this angle, make sense, as it redefines the concept of "allies": they don't want - or maybe rather can't afford - vassals anymore, but rather relationships that evolve based on current interests.

You can either view it as decline - because it does unquestionably look like the end of the American empire - or as avoiding further decline: controlled withdrawal from imperial commitments in order to focus resources on core national interests rather than being forced into an even messier retreat at a later stage.

In any case it is the end of an era and, while the Trump administration looks like chaos to many observers, they're probably much more attuned to the changing realities of the world and their own country's predicament than their predecessors. Acknowledging the existence of a multipolar world and choosing to operate within it rather than trying to maintain an increasingly costly global hegemony couldn't be delayed much further. It looks messy but it is probably better than maintaining the fiction of American primacy until it eventually collapses under its own weight.

This is not to say that the U.S. won't continue to wreak havoc on the world, and in fact we might be seeing it become even more aggressive than before. Because when it previously was (badly, and very hypocritically) trying to maintain some semblance of self-proclaimed "rules-based order", it now doesn't even have to pretend it is under any constraint, not even the constraint of playing nice with allies. It's the end of the U.S. empire, but definitely not the end of the U.S. as a major disruptive force in world affairs.

All in all this transformation may mark one of the most significant shifts in international relations since the fall of the Soviet Union. And those most unprepared for it, as is already painfully obvious, are America's vassals caught completely flat-footed by the realization that the patron they've relied on for decades is now treating them as just another set of countries to negotiate with.

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[–] Carl@hexbear.net 49 points 5 months ago (8 children)

I don't think the Trump administration is thinking about this as much as this poster has. The truth is that Musk and co literally don't know what USAID does or why its useful to American Empire - they are just generally anti foreign aid, so they closed it. That's it.

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 39 points 5 months ago (6 children)

I really hate chalking things like this up to pure stupidity and ignorance, but sometimes I can’t see any other reason why they do the things they do. I remember when trump left the tpp. Here was a guy who railed against China constantly, yet pulls out of a deal meant to contain China economically. I loved it, but I can’t see why someone obsessed with the Chinese threat would do something like that except out of pure ignorance as to the tpp’s purpose.

The same with USAID. Do these guys understand what USAID is, or have they really just bought into the liberal lie that it’s a great humanitarian mission, and they oppose that humanitarianism. Like, is there something more nefarious going on here that I can’t see, or is it really just some dumb push to “remove woke” or whatever?

[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 24 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (5 children)

I believe Musk called USAID a criminal organization, so it's not that they didn't know what it did.

Did they know how it served American empire? That I'm not sure

[–] rootsbreadandmakka@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago

He said this after and seemingly in response to usaid refusing doge access to their servers. So I’m not really convinced that’s a political statement over musk just lashing out cause he didn’t get his way

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