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submitted 10 months ago by Disk@sh.itjust.works to c/memes@lemmy.ml

Not joking by the way, this was made by a conservative artist

Original twitter post: https://twitter.com/GPrime85/status/1697222846030721336

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[-] De_Narm@lemmy.world 215 points 10 months ago

It's funny how 'getting an abortion' is the most atheist thing the artist could think of - I believe that's not even forbidden in the Bible?

[-] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 194 points 10 months ago

There's a recipe to induce abortion in the Bible.

Not reading it is part of the book club.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

I've been trying to find that bit and my apparently poor googling techniques are finding nothing. Do you mind sharing an article or passage? (Just got back from a vacation with some fairly religious family members who were goddamn tiring, would be nice to be able to cite this next time.)

[-] Quasari@programming.dev 65 points 10 months ago
[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

Wild, thanks! And I appreciate the reference!

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 62 points 10 months ago

Oh, if you want more fun, read them these two verses:

Exodus 21:12:

Anyone who assaults and kills another person must be put to death.

And Exodus 21:22:

When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that she has a miscarriage but no other injury occurs, then the guilty party will be fined what the woman’s husband demands, as negotiated with the judges.

Then ask them why the punishment for killing a person is not the same as the punishment for causing a miscarriage.

After that, ask them why, if the Bible is the "inerrant" word of God, do some translations of that second verse use "miscarriage" while others say something more general like "caused a premature birth" instead? Because the meaning of that verse changes drastically depending on which way it's translated.

At this point, you'll probably be called a godless baby killer and uninvited from Thanksgiving dinner.

[-] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

After that, ask them why, if the Bible is the “inerrant” word of God, do some translations of that second verse use “miscarriage” while others say something more general like “caused a premature birth” instead? Because the meaning of that verse changes drastically depending on which way it’s translated.

According to Google Translate, the original Hebrew for just that phrase directly translates to "and her children went out," but with the full context of the verse it becomes "and her children are born." Make of that what you will.

I could translate it to "and she gets a black eye," but that doesn't make the word itself any less reliable, only my wrong translation. I don't know about the people you hang out with, but I'm pretty sure it's important for Christians to understand that human translations are prone to error.

[-] Cabrio@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Born, or birthed? A stillborn is still birthed. See, we can play this game for millenia, others already have.

[-] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

I copied what Google Translate told me. I'm no expert on matters relating to birth. That's why I said "make of that what you will."

However, I do know that we have a lot more technical language than they did back then, so that's something to keep in mind.

[-] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"¿Porque no los dos?" or... Why not borth?

[-] MeetInPotatoes@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

The people who downvoted this have no sense of humor. C'mon, "borth?"... objectively hilarious.

[-] hactually@kbin.social 30 points 10 months ago

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%205:11-31&version=NIV

It's not really a recipe but the Bitter Waters can be viewed as an abortifacient.
Regardless of if true - that verse does show that the christian god is pro-abortion.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Much appreciated!

[-] rurb@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago

Pro-abortion in the case of adultery or rape. Plus it is from the Hebrew Bible/Old Testament so it's a Christian thing by inheritance from Judaism.

[-] Neko@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

There is a kind of “recipe” in Numbers 5:11-31

It’s a “test for an unfaithful wife” but it’s a curse which would make a woman miscarry a child if it belonged to someone other than her husband.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Much appreciated, that's craziness!

[-] HikingVet@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 10 months ago

It really doesn't mention abortions far as I can tell, and the people who say the Abrahamic tradition is anti-abortion is a bunch of shit as well.

My Source

[-] toasteecup@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

Just ask them how god defines weddings in Christianity then point out Jews had weddings first.

[-] Lauchs@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

? Sorry, what does that have to do with a recipe for abortion?

[-] toasteecup@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Nada, but if your goal was to piss then off...

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 4 points 10 months ago

They're both abrahamic religions... It would make sense that God (being the same supernatural being in both religions) would have the same definition under both religions...

[-] toasteecup@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

It would but it doesn't. Jews by and large don't care about homosexual marriage and even find it acceptable per God's teachings. The only ones who don't are the conservative Jews.

Christians on the other hand by and large care about homosexuality alot. Add to it Christians (in the states at least) like to say that they defined marriage, there's proof that isn't true. So if Christians didn't invent it and were born of Judaism that would say to be that Christian belief regarding marriage is irrelevant from a "we created it" standpoint.

Tying it back to my original thought, pointing that out to Christians pisses them off.

This also works with abortion. Most Jews don't care about it, some even go so far as to say this "a baby before birth is merely a part of the mother's body." Meaning it's up to the mother what to do about her body. Up to and including termination.

[-] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

What's that supposed to prove?

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