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Hollowing out his country on two fronts.

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[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yes and no. A lot of the time the most ideologically devoted Nazis sit behind the front lines acting as blocking detachments and military police who will shoot retreating soldiers and make gruesome examples of deserters. They are too valuable to the Kiev regime to be wasted dying in trenches.

Plus there are still plenty of cowards sitting safe in Kiev and Lvov working as propagandists and enforcers of the regime, plenty of thugs and criminals that the state has given power and weapons to who take pleasure in bullying and extorting poor Ukrainians. These people won't get sent to the front any time soon because they too are vital for the self-preservation of the regime.

On the other hand, because these are cowards and opportunists they will flip very quickly once the power shifts. It's the ideological Nazis that need to be dealt with first and foremost. Many of them will flee to the West once the collapse occurs, but some will stay behind to cause trouble and will need to be rooted out.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Right, most of these people are cowards who force others to fight for them. I expect most of them will flee to Europe once it becomes clear that the war is lost. Also, once the army collapses, Russia will very much do purges the same way they did with Germany after WW2. There's already a blueprint for this.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Not so sure about the purges. The Russian state is pretty soft and liberal these days. I think we will see a significant number of terrorist attacks initially before Russia decides to properly crack down. By that point though these Banderite terrorists will have discredited themselves with the majority of Ukrainians since their attacks will primarily harm other Ukrainians, so Russia won't encounter much resistance from the population.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Right, any sort of a partisan movement requires support from the general public, and I just can't see that happening. Another thing to consider is that Ukraine may simply cease to exist as a state. Russia will absorb friendly and neutral territories in the east, while Hungary, Poland, and Romania will grab the ones in the west. That seems like an increasingly likely scenario.

[–] o_d@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How will the western powers receive the compensation that they think is owed to them if what remains of Ukraine is absorbed by the surrounding NATO countries?

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 weeks ago

These countries would still mine the resources, and in fact this is a strong incentive for them to do land grabs as it would be seen as a way to bring economic growth by developing these regions. Powers like US would of course prefer a rump Ukraine where they could do this on the cheap, but they might not have the pull at this point to stop the partitioning.