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Ukraine tells critics of slow counteroffensive to 'shut up' (www.reuters.com)

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[-] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 33 points 10 months ago

Please respect other users pronouns even if you politically disagree with them

[-] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I simply wouldn't use misgendering turns of phrase

[-] RonJonGuaido@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

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[-] Egon@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

And not use misgendering language? We all make mistakes at times, it's what happens, and it's fair to ask questions to better understand, but being against it after you've been informed strikes me as silly

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The only way I think it can be construed as misgendering language is if the parts of the idiom or turn of phrase are parsed individually, which is exactly the opposite of what you're supposed to do with an idiom.

If this sentence is misgendering myself, then I'm the Queen of England. I get that this guy is a shithead but pretending that he's also doing something wrong here seems to be playing for some esoteric own.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

"Go off queen" is 100% a thing, which means that "go off king" isn't just a neutral idiomatic expression, but a gendered idiomatic expression.

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm not saying it's not a thing, but I have literally never seen it used, and I couldn't find an ngram viewer with a corpus end date after 2019.

It would never occur to me to say "go off queen" , in much the same way it would never occur to me to say "yass slay king" regardless of the gender of the referent, making them both gender neutral in my use.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

I don't think ronjonguaido is a shithead, I don't think that it was done on purpose or anything, and I can see what you mean - I didn't myself pick up on it being misgendering language. I think maybe it comes down to intent? I dunno. On the one hand sure there are phrases, but on the other, maybe we should question the gendering of idioms? Way out of my league tbh.

[-] a_blanqui_slate@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The idiom isn't gendered, a component of it is. Likening someone to 'the little dutch boy with his finger in the dyke' makes no claim on the gender status of the referent and is equally applicable across all genders. If they insisted on calling you Mr. Egon, then sure, that's misgendering, but 'go off king' is a established turn of phrase that I have also seen generically applied because it likewise makes no claim to the gender status of the individual referred.