this post was submitted on 28 Feb 2025
588 points (99.2% liked)

World News

41370 readers
3247 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

A foreign democracy is sending an entire generation of their male populace into the afterlife to prevent Russia from expanding their borders and influence

More to the point, to defend themselves. Ukraine isn't playing some kind of geopolitical game; it's trying to survive and has a huge moral high ground that your characterization of it disregards.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not disregarding anything. I'm making a point by driving home what it does for Americans, because all Americans care about is themselves. If I frame it from the perspective of Ukraine trying to defend themselves from invasion, Americans could give a fuck less.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

If that's your goal, then you need to understand that Americans give even less of a fuck about the framing you gave it. It's not the Cold War anymore; Americans have no concept that "Russia... expanding their borders and influence" would affect them in any way. Americans don't even have a fucking clue where the borders being fought over even are!

At least the "Ukrainian self-defense" angle has a clear villain and a heroic scrappy underdog to root for as entertainment. In terms of getting Americans to care, that really is your best bet.

(Source: am American. And if you think this viewpoint is even more cynical than yours, then congratulations, you're correct.)