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I was thinking about that when I was dropping my 6 year old off at some hobbies earlier - it's pretty much expected to have learned how to ride a bicycle before starting school, and it massively expands the area you can go to by yourself. When she went to school by bicycle she can easily make a detour via a shop to spend some pocket money before coming home, while by foot that'd be rather time consuming.

Quite a lot of friends from outside of Europe either can't ride a bicycle, or were learning it as adult after moving here, though.

edit: the high number of replies mentioning "swimming" made me realize that I had that filed as a basic skill pretty much everybody has - probably due to swimming lessons being a mandatory part of school education here.

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[โ€“] sxan@midwest.social 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Exactly. Unless things have changed dramatically, one or two years of a foreign language is a requirement in high school, and there are more opportunities in lower K-12 these days from what I hear. However, you're right that this is not especially helpful without some immersion, and the practice of trading your kids to a foreign family for a year is far less common. Then, after K-12, opportunities to practice greatly diminish.

The German mother of a good friend moved to the US West coast when she was a young adult, married, and had my friend. She never lost her German accent. When I was in my early 20s, I had the opportunity to live and work in Germany for a couple of years, and when I came back, I was fairly fluent - enough to pass as a native from a "different region." I visited my friend when I returned, and tried to have a conversation with her mother in German; she sadly informed me that she had forgotten most of her German, and could no longer converse... there are few opportunities to speak in German on the West coast, and even native language skills attrophy if unused.

In a related annecdote, when I first returned to the states, I'd sometime fail to remember the English words for the odd thing, like "trash can." All I could remember was the German word for it.

All thay has gone away. Years later, I can barely hold basic conversations in German. Maybe some people have an ability to retain language skills without practice, but I believe it's far more common to lose fluency you once had.

[โ€“] theragu40@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That's a good anecdote.

For my part I took Spanish from 2nd or 3rd grade all through college. I basically knew enough to be dangerous and it was occasionally useful in online chat where my broken Spanish was marginally better than some people's non-existent English. But honestly the biggest strength was that I knew enough to be able to tell when Google translate did a bad job conveying my meaning.

Nowadays I'm several years removed from the last opportunity to use it at all and I hardly remember anything. It's definitely a "use it or lose it" thing.

[โ€“] kamenlady@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reading always helped me to, at least keep the language alive in my head. So reading and understanding were never a problem.

But conversation? That degrades quickly to the point where people ask you from what country you are visiting...

[โ€“] sxan@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago

Are you a transplant?