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[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lol, I had a feeling it was a translation thing, but your English is great.

This kind of brings me back to thinking that this situation, although scary and shit, could be a great opportunity for a better world. Like, for one thing, maybe we shouldn't be buying cheap plastic shit made with slave labour in China. We definitely shouldn't be in a situation where we can't exist without domestic production of necessary things.

[–] IceFoxX@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The stupid thing is that outsourcing had financial reasons... If you bring production back, the same problems arise. We have completely overslept automation and robotics and China is leading the way. As a result, they can offer much cheaper products without slave labor. Then comes the issue of democracies and laws. My home country Germany... Enercon wind energy destroyed in 2011 through industrial espionage by the USA with the help of the NSA (minor matter) but in 2012 Merkel's CDU approved the sale of the solar division to China... Now we just have no more rights... Simply saying we'll take it back is not compatible with democratic values and laws, except for a buyback. But the Chinese are not that stupid, they buy very well on the German market, including know-how. ( btw I am just as guilty with the political situation in my country... luckily the AfD has not made it all the way ) But of course they don't just buy in Germany. China is not a democracy and they don't care about it either and use it indirectly for oppression etc. But if the West acted like this, democracy would be history. Democratic countries have to stick to it, otherwise it will collapse. Unfortunately, active ways of protecting democracy itself were not considered at the time

That the hardware of American ISP's is compromised (thus ALL traffic from America) also helps industrial espionage. Wonderful that Trump is shutting down and rolling out the red carpet for hackers.

[–] NotLemming@lemm.ee 3 points 2 days ago

That's the problem when all our tech comes from China and they're blatantly not trustworthy or even really trying to pretend they are. There's no real option to keep buying from them, no matter the circumstances.

Europe needs to pivot to being heavily Eurocentric, protecting basic necessities, arming ourselves and moving towards supplying ourselves with everything possible. Let Ukraine into the EU and maybe have to abandon the invaded part. Trade with friendly countries, divest from trade with asshole countries and buckle up while the US/China/Russia probably attack weaker targets and make their asshole riviera.

We can't keep relations as we have with countries which are not compatible with our Democratic values. All that's happening is that countries with shitty ideals are using our openness and spirit of cooperation to manipulate and indoctrinate our people. That's what's happened in america and even if america rights itself somehow, it will go unpunished and almost unacknowledged like all the other shit.

We should set up some kinds of rules for engagement with other countries. Shitty actions, whether towards their own people or not, incur automatic trade penalties and other punishment. If these are open and standardized it can serve as a preventative. This all has to be presented publicly so low education people can understand what is going on and why. Im not advocating for censorship but there should be fact checking/ certifications that its not total shit - on EU news sources - and warnings on non-EU media etc, so people know it's probably shit. Also we should allow reasonable Americans and others with our values to live and work in europe without all the usual BS.