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EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)

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[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I support what are realistic policies actually will push the status quo in the direction you want.

Larping on the internet waiting for a revolution to occur seems like a nice fantasy.

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IDK what country you're from, but in America at least, a democratic socialist has about as much likelihood of being elected to any given office as a communist does, so if you're looking for "realistic" policies you should look elsewhere.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

There are numerous democratic socialists who are in Congress, you just aren't paying attention.

Run for office. There have been many spoilers from genuine grassroots campaigns. Don't want to do either? Keep coping and seething online.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house. Entryism always ends up changing the entrant instead of the system. We are revolutionary socialists.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's clear you never studied US politics if you think that is remotely true. The Gilded Age and the Great Depression briefly pushed America away from corporate interests towards policy that benefited the working class. We averted overt fascism a la the Business Plot and the ratfucking that Smedley Butler disclosed while being the most badass anti-capitalist ever.

You're not a revolutionary socialist, you're a larper who won't do anything to better the world other than wait for this revolution like it's the second coming of Christ.

You guys are the QAnon of the left.

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We averted overt fascism a la the Business Plot

You're describing one group of bourgeoisie resisting a takeover by a different group of bourgeoisie. This is not a meaningful resistance to capitalism, this is the maintenance of a capitalist state.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 year ago

Present some options that have broad appeal and would be accepted by the proletariat. I don't know if you've looked around the US, but the voting proletariat generally find centrist policies to be "far left".

How do you have your people's revolution without the people?

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

How does any of that disagree with what he said?

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Who are you talking about? AOC? If your definition of a democratic socialist is a left-leaning Democrat then it is thoroughly incompatible with mine, because I would require at a minimum that anybody classified as any kind of "socialist" be staunchly opposed to Capital.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm talking about Emmanuel Goldstein. Anyone I can possibly list will never meet your purity test.

[–] uralsolo@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. We purity test. People who support capitalism cannot be counted upon to overthrow it. Glad we're on the same page.

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago

Don't forget to send me a text when the revolution starts, comrade.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

The purity test of having the wherewithal to oppose the economic system killing the earth and everyone on it.

[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I too support democratic socialism

chavez-salute

maduro-salute

evo

allende-rhetoric

Allende just needed more people's militias

[–] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but the Allende thing is more a US intervention problem that a democratic socialism problem. Certainly Mohammad Mosaddegh would agree.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wow, you mean the US will just destroy you no matter how much you play by their rules, and that all that handwringing about evil communism is just bad-faith obfuscation from the world-eating vampire class to mislead their billions of victims? Wild.