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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by w00t@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml

EDIT: no, I don't sympathize with nazis (neither I sympathize with those who call everyone nazi when they're losing an argument ;)

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[-] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 283 points 10 months ago

Most defederation isn’t because people are disagreeing though. It’s because the people they’re defederating from are assholes.

[-] ATQ@lemm.ee 217 points 10 months ago

OP is a three day old account. They know this, this meme is just them crying about it.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 177 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Instance know for trolling and being assholes is eventually defederated

You just don't understand us!

[-] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 102 points 10 months ago

Lol right? And if you even try to engage it’s constant sealioning, memeing, and dunking.

[-] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 49 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Sealioning? No, you just won't read my 10,000 word post that is copied from someone else's pHD.

Edit: No joke, after posting this I got this message from a Hexbear user:

I’ve read all three volumes of [Das Kapital] around a month ago because I had an autistic urge to do it

tell me with full seriousness that you’ve even glanced at it

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[-] acastcandream@beehaw.org 44 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To build on this point: I don’t get the whole “anti-echo chamber” thing and this demand we entertain said assholes. We select people to be friends we generally like and agree with. We often don’t associate with people we don’t like or disagree with. Why should our forums be some totally egalitarian social exposure? That’s literally never been the case ever. We read what we want to read. We talk to who we want to talk to. I’m not going to be guilted into listening to some jerk who thinks gay people shouldn’t marry and belong in hell. I don’t want to share a beer with them, I would never invite them to dinner in my home, so why should I have to deal with them living rent free in my mind because I saw some ignorant post of theirs and they called someone a slur? Hell, why should I be forced by some arbitrary, inconsistent moral code to deal with people who are simply disruptive/obnoxious?

I have plenty of work colleagues and family I disagree with, I read sources I don’t always love. I get plenty of exposure to other ways of thinking and ideas, at least no less than anyone else does. Do I think people can go too far and literally only surround themselves with “yes men” socially? Sure. But come on. How many of us actually spend equal time with people we both agree and disagree ideologically with?

The only people whining about defederating either don’t understand what it is or are butthurt because people are collectively showing them the door, and there is little they can do about it. 

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[-] yukichigai@kbin.social 183 points 10 months ago

Yes, let's enter discussion with the literal Nazis so we can try to understand them. There might be nuance to their calls for mass genocide.

Fuck off OP.

[-] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 59 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's funny how people always use play it like "oh, it's just differing opinions" when what they're actually defending is indefensible malarkey like nazis and tankies. They know if they made a meme saying we should "try to understand" nazis and tankies, they'd be downvoted to oblivion. And so they hide behind a shield of "differing opinions".

These cretins have a right to post nazi and tankie shit on their own instances -- them's the beauty of the fediverse. But I also have a right to not want hate speech, genocide denial, and Hitler/Stalin/Mao simps polluting my feed. It's not mere "differing opinions" when one person's opinion is "Holodomor didn't happen, and if it did, the Ukrainians deserved it" or "Holocaust didn't happen, and if it did, the Jews deserved it" or whatever apologia they wanna peddle.

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[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 145 points 10 months ago

Fuck that. Defederate all Nazis.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 34 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

More like de-head-erate all nazis lmao

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 108 points 10 months ago

This post assumes that a meaningful amount of defed instances are caused by simple lack of agreement. Often, it's an orthogonal matter - it boils down to instance A actually understanding something about the userbase of instance B and saying "I'm not dealing with this shit, it'll make the instance worse for its own users". For example: the typical user of B might be disingenuous, or preach immoral prescriptions, behave like a chimp, or be a bloody stupid piece of trash that should've stayed in Reddit to avoid smearing its stupidity everywhere here.

Are instance admins too eager to pull the trigger for defed? Perhaps, in some cases; specially because it handles groups of users instead of individuals. But those cases are better addressed through actual examples, not through a meme talking on generic grounds.

[-] trafficnab@lemmy.ca 32 points 10 months ago

The cool part is, if your instance admin starts doing stuff you don't like, you can super easily just go to a different one, or even go about hosting your own that you control and decide who to federate with

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[-] atrielienz@lemmy.world 83 points 9 months ago

No offense but this is kind of what happens in real life too. Nazi shows up to local bar. Barman or owner doesn't throw them out. Eventually they invite their friends. It winds up being known a Nazi bar. People who don't want to associate with Nazis no longer visit the bar. This is why intolerance of the intolerant is a thing.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

The paradox of tolerance.

Tolerance must tolerate all but intolerance of tolerance

[-] Dubious_Fart@lemmy.ml 37 points 9 months ago

Tolerance is a social contract.

If you refuse to be bound by it, then you are a direct threat to the contract, and those who follow it, and should be treated as such.

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[-] Rooty@lemmy.world 82 points 10 months ago

Defederating brigaders and trolls is necessary to maintain a healthy community. If your instance is defederated from all major instances, perhaps you should look examine what sort of company you keep.

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[-] Lizardking27@lemmy.world 77 points 10 months ago

Lmao "try and understand them" fuck off, OP. You're not fooling anyone. There's no point trying to understand assholes.

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[-] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 74 points 9 months ago

'people posting stuff you consider harmful' is not a simple, black and white issue. Anyone who pretends that allowing all opinions has no consequences is full of shit, anyone who claims that tightly policing opinions has no consequences is full of shit.

Like almost everything in life, you will have to navigate a tenuous balance between these two things and you will never know if you got the balance right. You are just a sack of meat doomed to die.

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[-] ThePac@lemmy.ml 73 points 10 months ago

What a simple, stupid argument.

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[-] victron@programming.dev 63 points 9 months ago

Yeah, let's try to understand child abuse images /s

[-] June@lemm.ee 66 points 9 months ago

Let’s find the middle ground with Nazi’s too!

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[-] Custoslibera@lemmy.world 62 points 10 months ago

Fuck off nazis.

Follow your leader and kill yourselves.

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[-] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 55 points 10 months ago

Imagine thinking racism and child porn have arguments worth listening to. Just defed and forget they exist.

[-] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 54 points 9 months ago

I'm so glad that the comments have (mostly) finally unified in agreement that defederating Nazis and other hideous people is the right move.

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[-] paperemail@links.rocks 48 points 9 months ago
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[-] Mouette@jlai.lu 48 points 9 months ago

If the 'thing you dont agree' with is hate speech or shit promotting violence for example that's the only sane option you have lol

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[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 45 points 9 months ago

But seriously, fuck them tankies.

[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.net 44 points 9 months ago

Only lemmy could make a post about disagreeing with someone's view point about child porn

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[-] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 44 points 10 months ago

I was there OP, I was there 3000 years ago before the great renaming, long before the eternal September. Fuck those bitches, defederate and be done with them. Assholes are eternally assholes and giving them an inch is just inviting them to take a mile.

[-] ScrivenerX@lemm.ee 43 points 9 months ago

Funny how one instance is the one everyone wants to defederate from.

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[-] blue_zephyr@lemmy.world 43 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

I don't have the patience to discuss transphobes and I will never, ever, understand them. Just go fuck yourself and then kindly fuck off.

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[-] ZoomeristLeninist@hexbear.net 41 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

lol its this shit every time libs see a legitimate left stance. im assuming you’ve seen the sh.itjust.works defed post. its like 5 super vocal users having a conniption fit that there are communists on the internet

[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

Hah. As if anyone could be more angry at communists on the internet than other communists on the internet.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago

geordi-no defederate to maintain your very special echo chamber

geordi-yes defederate to stop sh.tjust.works chuds from harassing your comrades in DMs with violent, transphobic and ableist attacks

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[-] NotSpez@lemm.ee 37 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Defederation is becoming the Lemmy meme.

I think being on lemmy does not in any way oblige a user to listen to everyone all the time. A lot of people will just come here for a good time. And for the freedom of speech activists: freedom of speech also involves other peoples freedom not to want to listen.

Moreover, I think most people who want to defederate with certain instances don’t necessarily have a problem with different world views, but have a problem with the tone being set by a small percentage of the users of said instances. Unfortunately, only a small percentage is needed to create a general vibe.

I hope it will be possible for individual users to block entire instances very soon, this way this whole debate will become obsolete. Personally, I can’t wait for it (the debate to become obsolete, not blocking instances necessarily)

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[-] TwoGems@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

You can't tolerate nazis or tankies. Bad reasoning altogether. Look at the state the USA is in right now because we decided to tolerate fascists.

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[-] Roundcat@lemmy.ca 31 points 9 months ago

Works for me. I don't negotiate with terrorists.

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[-] shiveyarbles@beehaw.org 30 points 9 months ago

Fascists and child porn spammers may have rights somewhere, but not in my world.

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[-] AlwaysNowNeverNotMe@kbin.social 29 points 10 months ago

Whew !memes sure does have a lot of faciest apologia.

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