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European nations refute claims that the U.S. has a "kill switch" for F-35 fighter jets, despite concerns raised after Trump suspended military aid and intelligence support to Ukraine.

While no evidence confirms such a switch, experts warn the U.S. could limit access to crucial software updates.

Belgium and Switzerland assert their F-35s remain autonomous but acknowledge reliance on U.S. data systems.

Set to receive 35 F-35s in 2026, some German politicians are questioning whether the purchase should have been made amid these concerns.

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[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Time to remove all the anti hacking tool laws and give nerds a go at the firmware for these things. Open source that shit and allow everyone to install a non backdoored version to their US equipment.

[–] Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Or just let the US know that if they're gonna tamper with your F35s you'll put one F35 in a box and ship it to China. They'll have a copy ready by next year and software cracked within the week

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I hate to break it to you, but China already stole all the data on F-35s years ago: https://www.reuters.com/article/business/theft-of-f-35-design-data-is-helping-us-adversaries-pentagon-idUSL2N0EV0T3/

And yes, I'm sure a lot has changed since 2013, but there have been numerous breaches since then, so it's silly to think they haven't conducted similar espionage operations in more recent years.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm sure a lot has changed since 2013

I highly doubt that. The initial development phases of these things are so expensive and complicated. They probably dont change even a single screw unless it is absolutely necessary. All the replacement parts and repair training would be wasted if they constantly changed stuff.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Hardware wise, I doubt much, if anything at all, has changed. But software and firmware most certainly has been updated. Part of what makes these platforms so powerful is their anti-radar, auto-targeting, and auto-identification capabilities.

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 days ago

Having an actual functional f-35 to train against and have for testing countermeasures against would be very helpful though.

[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

China isn't an ally of Europe. This would also be damaging us.

[–] match@pawb.social 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

imagine if China did ally with europe though, they could put russia under their thumb within a year and eurasia would become the sole world power

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

Conquer and divide Russia? Everything west of the Urals gets to join the EU, and everything east can uhhhh remain rural Russia, ally with Mongolia and China?

[–] koper@feddit.nl 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This 100%.

The US bullied the rest of the world into passing these anti-circumvention laws that make it illegal to modify the appliances you buy. Stick it to them and let us run our own firmware free of US cloud services.

https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/15/radical-extremists/

I have been linking this blog too much already so i didnt link it this time but yes, thats exactly what i was thinking about.