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[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 27 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Didn’t the USA join a war against some Nazis?

[–] iSeth@lemmy.ml 60 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Not unprovoked and not for 5 more years. Germany declared war on the US. Until Pearl Harbor, the US was quite neutral.

Edit: correct 4 to 5

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

They were about as “neutral” as they were in the Ukraine conflict under Biden.

They were selling loads of weapons at discount prices and supporting the allies in many ways.

You’re right though that the US public was generally against joining the war, and the US as a whole, tended to be quite isolationist until Pearl Harbour.

[–] msage@programming.dev 3 points 3 hours ago

US was selling stuff to EVERYONE, including the Nazis

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 22 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

They were selling weapons to both sides. GM controlled Opel until the 1940s, they built a lot of the nazi war machine (using forced labor), the Ford-Werke factory in Germany produced V2 rocket turbines among other parts, and US strategic bombers were specifically told to avoid bombing it because it was owned by an american, Exxon and Dow licensed patents for synthetic rubber and other war materials Germany lacked, Chase provided loans necessary for the rearmament, IBM sold the nazis the computers they used to carry out the holocaust.

The capitalist class looked at fascism as the savior of capitalism; they'd been terrified of a revolution in Germany and Hitler had just shown them an alternative. There's a reason he was Time's man of the year in 1938.

[–] Shrubbery@piefed.social 6 points 13 hours ago (2 children)
[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Good catch, I have edited it accordingly. Real "giving the nobel peace prize to Henry Kissinger and the guys he is currently dropping chemical weapons on" vibes.

Also: Holy shit, Chiang Kai-Shek is there for 1937.

[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Person of the year is not a honorific. It just means most important or influential.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

excuse me i won person of the year and i'm taking it as an honorific

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 5 points 12 hours ago

Time Magazine Person of the Year is for the most influential person of the year. Not the best, or most admirable. Merely the greatest agent of change.

[–] Eheran@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago

Do you mean the other way around? German companies had the patents for synthetic rubber, most notably Buna-N, and when the USA joined they simply stole it?

[–] WolfmanEightySix@piefed.social 7 points 15 hours ago

The USA made a hell of a lot of money off weapons sold to the allies. It created the USA industrial farming system.

[–] juli@lemmy.world -2 points 9 hours ago

They were about as “neutral” as they were in the Ukraine conflict under Biden.

Ah yes, and during Palestine conflict. They ultimately come out on top, it doesn't matter if they're funding a genocide. And people like you just spread around the "good", and hide the actual heinous history.