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Piracy is always stealing. Y'all can keep trying to spin it if it helps, but its pure copium.
Is it stealing when they don't lose anything?
Well first of all, yes it is stealing to take something that does not belong to you. The definition of stealing is not beholden to the consequences of the actions itself.
Furthermore, if you pirate to avoid paying a subscription, then yes they are losing something. I'm a massive pirate. I steal all my media. I feel no guilt and I also have no delusions about what I am doing. I do it to save money.
Yes you are taking something. Of course you are. You are a taking a video file which you do not have the right to. Why do you need to convince yourself there is nothing grimy about doing? Like jesus christ, just be grimey. Wht you gotta lie to yourself?
If semantics is the hill you want to die on you've already lost.
The product in this case is the right to view copyrighted material. You absolute can own digital material, that's the entire point of copyright.
You have no right to the video material of say amazon. Amazon can do with their video material as they please, that is their product and they own it. They have the right to control the distribution of that product. When you priate, you infringe on their copyright, which makes it so they lose money on the service where they sell the right to view that copyrighted material. You can spin it until the sun is blue, that is stealing.
You have removed Amazon's right to exclusively offer their product, which is a right that they have and you do not.
Yep, you have subverted the exclusivity of their product, which they do have a right to.
@BraBraBra
No they didn't. Amazon still offers the copied product. They only remove it when it's inconvenient to pay residuals.
But if you argue for intellectual “property” exclusivity, then you argue for monopoles, inhibition of innovation (try making something like Google's project Ara) and protect life-threatening practices of the pharma industry (why you can't start making insulin in the USA or make a covid vaccine in the Global South?).
@stappern
No I'm not. Amazon doesn't have a monopoly on creating video content. They do however have a right to exclusively show video content that they have the rights to.
@BraBraBra
Yes, you are. Especially that you've just left a specific context of copying a given video or given medical product for a very broad context of “Amazon doesn't a monopoly on making videos”, that can't be denied, and skipping the medical part.
That's Motte-and-bailey fallacy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy
So if Amazon has the right to exclusively sell you video then pharma can sell you exclusively gouge you for lifesaving drugs.
Don't get diabetes in 'murica if you have the chance.
Or, y'know... We can simply differentiate between video content and medince, since it's not the same fuckin thing.
Nope, you tried to extrapolate my argument outside of the specific context which I'm talking in, so I simply corrected the goalposts.
Sure, but there's a huge difference between stealing a physical object and copying data without permission.
For most of us sods it's a choice between pirating content or not engaging in it at all. While the upper management of Sony or Disney might live in their profit-focused bubble, everyone else involved with a product would rather we actually participate in their patch of human culture.
But I'm happy to not watch your show or listen to your music, if my presence offends you.
Entirely besides the point. As for the last point, that's pretty funny😂 if you're pirating it it literally makes no difference.
The difference is, your culture is not getting out there.
The reason we all know Joffrey is a git of a king and the Red Wedding was a day to call in sick is because the GoT series was massively pirated and HBO ignored it. It also why we had a decade of gratuitous boobs on television. It also accounted for HBO being stupendously rich for a while.
It's kinda like depending on the wind for sailing, your crew on deck are going to be hot because there isn't much breeze. The more you tap consumption of your art for money, the narrower the gateway and the less it becomes culture, until you end up like Prince (the musician) with most of your work locked away in a vault, unknown to anyone.
But you seem like a the law's the law sort of fellow, and would be simping for the state even as it was torturing your fellow statesmen.
GOT wasn't funded through culture. Also they most certainly didn't ignore it, they just failed to stop it.
Do my a favor and stick your assumptions up your mother's asshole. I'm a pirate, I just don't have any delusions about what it is. I'm not so egotistical that I need to convince myself that it's not stealing just because I'm doing it.
I find your pirate cred dubious. You came onto a pirate thread to throw shade, which smacks to me of Christian vigilantes wandering into a gay bar to start trouble. Or a guy online compelled to send his dick-pic to women online for internal insecurities he can't consciously fathom.
You're not here to protest the problems with stealing, not in the current economic clime. You're here because you need to shit on others, and are trying to justify it by opposing piracy when even the IP holders know it's losing game that only hurts themselves. It's the legal firms they've tapped who are over eager to show they're earning their pay.
You want to evade my assumptions, go crawl back into your hole, or do some proper fucking research. (Start here, and enjoy.).
But so long as you're raising a stink and I'm nearby, you're going to have to choke on the toxic vitriol of my ideology. I won't suffer your moralizing in silence.
The mere notion that piracy might be stealing sends you into a paragraphs long tirade. Pretty stupid. I simply don't care that it's stealing.
Piracy is always stealing. Y’all can keep trying to spin it if it helps, but its pure copium.
So you're just being equivocal and trolling?
Simply stating the obvious. You still seem to be under the impression that I'm attacking piracy lmfao... I'm just calling it what it is. I endorse any kind of piracy, I am simply under no delusion that it's moral or not stealing.
ELI5 then. How is it obvious that piracy is stealing? How is piracy not moral?
Taking something that does not belong to you. Even if you disagree with business practices, that does not give you right to a product.
taking something that does not belong to you does not explain how it is obvious that piracy is stealing, and suggests you don't actually know the difference.
Do you know the difference between copyright infringement / patent infringement and theft?
Care to try again?
And yet you still shared something. Those files exist. This is an extremely weak argument honestly.
Something is being tranferred, and that is the picture which you do not own nor have any right to own.
That is a dishonest characterization. The video file obviously has value, or you wouldn't be interested in it. We aren't talking about a singular bool, but the configuration of the bools of that specific file, which whatever company owns and which they sell the right to view.
LMFAO! It's called a patent genius!
It has a name too, it's called COUNTERFEITING
The manufacture part of the law is what you're missing😂 and you say I'm out of arguments.