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[–] sylveon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

And again, those are conditions, not something you choose to be, you are simply born like that.

I was pointing out how XX doesn't always mean female and XY doesn't always mean male. I didn't say you could change your chromosomes. I think you might be misunderstanding the OP. When it says 'some XX people become cis men' it means that embryos with XX chromosomes develop into cis men, not that they decide to be later in life.

Well than, waht is someone with Chappel syndrome?

Usually a man.

Oh yes, it’s also the malformations that you were born with

How do you differentiate between "normal" and a malformation? These are just arbitrary categories we made up. The reality is that we can observe that some humans just are like that and that's fine and normal.

oh so you need drugs to mimic traits from the opposite sex (there are only two after all) and gender is given by your sex.

You're moving the goalposts. You were arguing that you can't change sex and now you're retreating to 'you need drugs to change sex', which is true for HRT, but not necessarily for gynecomastia.

It's also not "mimicking" traits. Someone with gynecomastia or someone who takes feminising HRT grows the same kind of breasts as a cis woman.

Yes, language is not “made up” it evolved and will evolve naturally, demanding language to change to cater to you is not natural.

Even if this was true it would just be an appeal to nature. Natural doesn't mean good and unnatural doesn't mean bad.

But I don't think you can differentiate between 'natural' and 'unnatural' changes to language. Do you think language just evolves on its own without any human interference? Language is by definition something we do.

[–] IZZI@lemm.ee -4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I think you might be misunderstanding the OP.

Yes, I actually was

How do you differentiate between "normal" and a malformation?

If you need special care or attention that is a malformation. If there is a change in your physionomy that impedes you to have a life as normal as other human (you were born without a hand) that's a malformation.

You were arguing that you can't change sex and now you're retreating to 'you need drugs to change sex'

I was actually arguing that you can't change your genome, so yeah, sex. But by HRT you still don't change that, you just try to mimic traits oposite of yours.

Do you think language just evolves on its own without any human interference? Language is by definition something we do.

Of course language can be influenced, but usually when it is, it's for ease of understanding, and generally making people lives better.

By changing the language just for some people to be triggered because they were "misgendered" you don't bring any value

[–] sylveon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago

If you need special care or attention that is a malformation. If there is a change in your physionomy that impedes you to have a life as normal as other human (you were born without a hand) that’s a malformation.

This doesn't apply to many of the intersex conditions we talked about. They can present in a way where people don't even notice they have them.

I was actually arguing that you can’t change your genome, so yeah, sex. But by HRT you still don’t change that, you just try to mimic traits oposite of yours.

We've already established that genome doesn't exclusively determine sex. An XX male could live their entire life as a man and never even know that they have XX and not XY chromosomes.

Of course language can be influenced, but usually when it is, it’s for ease of understanding, and generally making people lives better. By changing the language just for some people to be triggered because they were “misgendered” you don’t bring any value

It brings value to the people who are affected. And we do this sort of thing a lot. Just like almost nobody says the n-word any more because we've collectively decided that it's inappropriate.

Honestly it feels like you're doing all these mental gymnastics just so you can have a justification for being rude to trans people. Is that really how you want to spend your energy?