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[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 86 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yes, but this may be a symptom of an issue I've been seeing with younger programmers; they've siloed themselves so specifically into whatever programming they "specialize" in, that they become absolutely useless at dealing with absolutely anything else related to their job. And exasperating this issue is the fact that they've grown up with systems that "just work". Windows, iOS, and android are all at the point where fucking around with hardware issues is very uncommon for the average person.

Asking this guy to solve a hardware problem is like asking hime to tune a carburetor. He likely has not the slightest clue how to start.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

In my experience, a lot of software dev degree paths basically don't even have relevant classes on hardware at all. Classes on hardware are all in IT Helpdesk and Network Admin degree paths whereas the software dev students are dumped straight into Visual Studio right off the bat with no relevant understanding of the underlying hardware or OS.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My experience does not reflect yours. Computer Architecture, Discrete Math (logic gate math), and Operating System Concepts were all required classes in my CS degree from just a few years ago.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Honestly that's good to hear. I've run into some devs who are completely mystified on how to connect to a remote database and couldn't tell a socket from sandwich.

[–] Pieisawesome@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 day ago

In my degree, we had to write kernel mods and device drivers

Can I have my socket with rye. I like rye.

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

My CS degree had a hardware/IT support class, but A) it was entirely simulation based. We never touched any actual hardware. We "built" PC's or identified physical issues in 3d sim software, set up RAID arrays in software, etc. B) it was super hand holdy and you only ever go over a problem once, so nothing on the class has stuck. I know much more from having built, troubleshot and maintained my own computers and network than I ever learned from that class, then learned more by doing in an actual IT support position before becoming an engineer.

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I mean to be fair the sheer amount of material most university engineering programs require these days makes spending significant time on specific problems almost impossible. They try to shove so much theory into your head they lose track of practical implementation. Basically everyone I went to school with complained about the lack of practical application relative to theory, and I studied mechanical engineering which is theoretically and literally chiefly concerned with hardware.

[–] bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That’s the price of specialization. Don’t ask a software engineer to troubleshoot hardware. Don’t ask a backend dev to write a frontend. Don’t ask a proctologist to look at your cough.

You simply cannot be proficient at every sub-sub-specialty. That’s why we collaborate and hand the ‘my computer gets hot’ problems to the hardware people. The alternative would be only moderately useful generalist.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago

I'm not asking everyone to be able to become a hardware specialist, but if you can't even figure out "my computer gets hot" I'm not going to be able to trust anything you do. Identifying a heat issue does not take a rocket surgeon.