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I get banned from Reddit for "suggesting violence" by stating Elon Musk's assets should be liquidated, meanwhile: (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The irony here is that violence is a necessary action when the bourgeoisie (Billionaires) leaves the working class no other option. But what he's saying is that state violence is justified to maintain the status quo.

[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Billionaires are not bourgeoisle. Bourgeoisie means "middle class". When Lenin targeted the bourgeosie he was targeting the middle class, not the billionaires.

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

You seem to be confusing the meaning of "middle class" of bourgeoisie. This did not refer to what we think of today as "middle class". This was in reference to a pre-revolutionary fuedal societies like Tsarist Russia. The "Upper class" being the structures of the monarch. The middle class being the bourgeoisie (the capital owning class). And the lowest class the proletariat (working class).

Obviously when we use bourgeoisie today we do not have a Monarchy. So it is still referring to the capitalist class. Revolutions were fought against monarchs that were replaced by the bourgeoisie (capitalist class). Lenin believed that instead of having a revolution to capitalism from fuedalism, that Russia could transition from a fuedal to socialist society and skip the rule of the bourgeoisie.

Lenin was not "targeting" what we think of today as "the middle class". If someone told you that without explaining the above history they were either lying or ignorant.

Billionaires are by definition Bourgeoisie as their wealth is earned by ownership of the means of production and not from a wage as workers are. That's why people like me still use the term "Bourgeoisie" today specifically to avoid confusion with what "middle class" means today. The bourgeoisie is a well defined term by Marxist-Leninist to mean "the capitalist class".