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Who of you want or don't want children? I am just curious because most people that I talk to don't seem to want it. I mean leftist (lemmy.ml)

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I am curious if the majority of leftist people don't actually want children haha. There doesn't seem to be any studies about it, but my convos with leftists is that most don't seem to want to have children either for the uncertainty of the future or because they are too expensive or because it wouldn't give them too much time to organize or whatever other reason that I forgot about.

I personally lean on not having children because I have been laid off of several jobs and having someone financially dependent to me scares the shit out of me and would put my stress levels through the roof.

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[–] rostselmasch@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Having biological children is probably inherently selfish, but that doesn't make having children an inherently bad or evil thing. That's my entire point.

Who cares if it is selfish or not, why does it matter at all? In the end it has still nothing to do with Anti-Natalism. The name itself is nomen est omen and says everything needed to know. Your point is not anti-natalism but a mere moral observation, why life is creating more life. You can be easily misunderstood if you confuse this terms

[–] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 9 hours ago

I wasn't confusing the terms, and I and lots of people can and should care. That's why I reiterate that I take a softer approach. I think more people should be aware that it's perfectly okay to not have biological children, and that choosing to have biological children isn't inherently good or altruistic, and does have some element of selfishness.

I figure that if people understood all of that upfront (and ofc living in a socialist society) that child abuse will drastically decrease when all the cards are out on the table, so to speak.

As the saying goes, "every child needs a parent, but not every parent needs a child".

I call myself a partial anti-natalist, the same as classifying myself as a Marxist-Leninist, it's a specific addition, alteration or subset of a larger category or umbrella.

Most Marxists, for instance, wouldn't want to be associated with Pol Pot.

I and lots of other people didn't consent to being born, even if that is a ridiculous-sounding claim. Obviously, no one can consent to that, but every life should be treated with the upmost care and possibility, and life should be something that everyone can take part in and have a good time. And sometimes I do regret that I exist, even if that sounds stupid. But I think even most people with depression and shit can generally agree that we'd rather be born, than not.

I maintain that anti-natalism isn't nearly the same as wanting all of humanity dead, or that there aren't eventual positives to birth.