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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (4 children)

After figuring in all the time it takes to earn enough to pay for a car, time spent maintaining it and gasing up, as well as the actual time spent driving, you still only get about 4 miles per man hour.

True neutral is the truth.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wonder if there's data out there on life expectancy for people who walk a lot vs those who drive everywhere. I bet the miles per man hour would go down even further if you factor in years of life lost from being sedentary behind the wheel instead of walking.

[–] xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Wow, that's interesting! Do you have a source (or if you calculated it yourself, can you share the calculations)?

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

It was around here somewhere.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

He does not have a source.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The running cost of a vehicle is less than a dollar per KM, if you buy second hand you're not losing much money to depreciation, and it takes me an hour to do an oil change, which I do every ten thousand KM.

Where the hell did these figures come from?

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I saw them around here somewhere. I haven't bothered to run them personally, but after ditching my car and WFH, suddenly I can afford to support my wife and child while they both go to school - by way of explaining why I haven't put the assertion under a microscope.

Couldn't conjure up the source I got it from though. After some random figures looked up and shitty napkin math, I would only be able to argue for about 22 miles per Mhour for the average American.

[–] zoe@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

the problem isn't the car, but the salary, which is basically straight theft, and that is eating on the Mh (man-hour). if one were paid twice as much, that would translate to 8 mile per Mh, also imagine there were one seat cars, instead of paying for a 5 seat car, u would save at least on half as much of the car cost ( also a 1L for 100km engine locked at 90km/h for speed is also logical), which translates to 16 miles per Mh, so on and so forth..also taxing the rich and subsidizing public facilities will extend Mhours way more..

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

You're right. For cars to make sense in financial terms, all we need is a mulligan on the last several decades of economic policy.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Do you not have friends? Or luggage? Or a dog?

[–] zoe@infosec.pub 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

if u want to transport friends and whatnot, then dont come complaining about car cost..i was just trying to optimize car use cases. sure u wanna go camping ? might as well buy a AWD car for a trip per year and pay for the fuel of daily work commute. might as well buy two cars in this regard..if only public transport was that reliable, and also wages were fair..

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The difference in fuel use between a two wheel drive and AWD vehicle is negligible, you might as well have an AWD. Especially if you don't commute in your own car.

[–] zoe@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

u would think a 1L gasoline engine with 86Nm of torque would serve awd in rugged terrain ? unless u live in the us, where even front wheel's are run by 2 liter diesel, at 360Nm

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yes, AWD would give you more traction, regardless of how much power is in front of the drive train.

[–] zoe@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago