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Thinking of immigrating to Italy - am I insane? (lemmy.world)

submitted 2 weeks ago by AHamSandwich@lemmy.world to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

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Hi all! This is an alt for anonymity. Please be gentle, this is a hard topic for me to discuss.

I'm a progressive United States citizen who is looking to get out. I'm of Italian descent so I'm working on getting Italian citizenship through jure sanguinis, but it's going to take some time, if it works at all (gotta substantiate some relations) and won't extend to my husband until he completes a citizenship test, which he can do after living in Italy for two years.

Here's my big question: is moving to Italy even a good idea?

I know there's a significant element of fascism there, but that seems to be the case to varying extents throughout Europe. I've visited a few times as a tourist and everyone was very kind. I also have a US cousin that lives there as a permanent resident near Napoli and she is very encouraging, saying people will be welcoming. We don't want much, just to make a living and maybe have a kid.

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[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml -5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

you're aware that italy is ahead of us in the fascism timeline, right?

[–] chobeat@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

No self-coup happened yet, most constitutional freedoms are still respected, there are no political extra-judicial arrests (or at least not that many). Except for some repression of communitarian spaces and public protests, it is not sensibly different from any center/center-right neoliberal government.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

if by "self-coup" you referring to trump's election; they did the same thing with their own fascists and their parliament helped in the same way that our congress helped and their repression is also focused on lgbt arena's like ours is; but goes well beyond minor policy changes and it's here where they've gone further down the fascism timeline than we have.

[–] chobeat@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm talking about a private individual invading the physical and digital spaces of public institutions with the president providing political cover and stopping other parts of the state to intervene. That's a self-coup. Nothing like that happened in Italy and so far the government is operating within legality.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago

No, that's still just a normal coup of congress's authority

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

and it'll become just as legal here if anyone ever tried to challenge it in the courts; this seems like a tiny technicality to me.

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah but their velocity is much much lower atm.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

how so?

[–] P00ptart@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Outside of losing a war, I'm not sure of any civilization that's changed as hard and fast as America is at the moment. And it's only going to get worse as the economy crashes.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

the united states is part of a civilization that's changing more rapidly than the rest of it and even then, only its privileged classes; italy's another part of western civilization that has also changed in the same manner and to a further degree than americans have (so far).