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[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Recently found a pretty interesting video about China and how they combat homelessness (sorry on reddit). You can buy a 1 room apartment for $15.000 and the monthly costs are minimal. Of course I don't truly know if there really isn't any homelessness in China, but we absolutely have the technology to solve this problem lol

[–] Padit@feddit.org 13 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Well, for 2022 I found that the average wage is 2600¥ or 330€ per month (with enormous differencs between the regions). That means a flat is 4 annual salaries on average, assuming ithe 15000$ or 14000€. That's not that much off a difference to Germany, where I am from.

So one could argue that this is just the advise "get a job and buy a house!!!" To a homeless person.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

4x the annual median salary for a house sounds amazing to me. In the US, low cost of living areas can have a median income of $40k and houses will still cost $320k (8x your annual salary). In areas like San Francisco, median income is around $140k while median house prices are $1.2M (8x the annual income).

So it seems that housing is twice as affordable in China and Germany.

[–] Padit@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

But keep in mind that here you compare a house (!) in the US, to a single bedroom apartment in china. That is quite a difference.

[–] Knightfox@lemmy.one 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think there are more factors at play than you're giving credit. For example, Germany has an average cost of 3000-5000 euro per m^3 which translates to ~$320-540/sqft. In the US the average cost of a house is ~$146/sqft in the south, ~$156/sqft in the midwest, ~$220/sqft in the north, and ~$195/sqft in the west. So while the 8x vs 4x comparison is accurate, you're probably also getting 50% less house in Germany.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 2 points 3 weeks ago

But absolute scale makes a difference, especially if you compare having a job or not, and how expensive it is to give a home to a homeless person. My impression was that they just give you an apartment for free.

The proper comparison would be complicated, when building and maintaining an apartment block, how much money is siphoned off as profit to the capitalists?

Also e.g. Germany has a lot of regulations which is sometimes nice, but also lead to higher costs. Like converting your car to electric isn't done in Germany, because regulations demand you make an EMF test which costs something 5-10 thousand euro. So there are practically none. That held back private innovation for EVs. There are countless regulations for building too which might sound good on paper but have been tweaked to only benefit the capitalists and make costs go up and projects take forever.

Then in Germany you wouldn't give an apartment as a homeless person for free, you'd have to show that you're jobless and that has to be verified then they give you money then you can pay rent to someone. Although I'm not quite sure how the situation in Germany is overall.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

It's probably mostly accurate, most other developed nations DO prioritize housing and caring for their homeless because it just makes sense that if you don't want decay in your population, you do SOMETHING to take care of them.

Now that said, I am far more concerned/curious how China is handling one of the leading causes of homelessness which is mental and physical health problems, and how much access the average person starting to slip through the cracks can get to proper healthcare.

I am not well versed on China's healthcare situation though, and it's been almost 17 years since I've been there last, when I was there people seemed kind of... miserable. Overworked, unable to afford more than the most basic amenities and living conditions. At least the working-class drivers and clerks. Honestly, China 17 years ago feels a lot like many places in the US right now.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In China if you are homeless the cops pick you up and say if you work as a street cleaner you will get a home in excange.

If you don't like that arrangement you dissappear.

[–] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

In case your source for that is serpentza, then you should check this reply with more links debunking this guy and his racist views.

Obviously China is not a utopia and with a billion people things will be bad at some place or another. But cherry picked examples and wild accusations like "they will dissappear" is just anti-China propaganda.

[–] TheLoneMinon@lemm.ee 5 points 3 weeks ago

I went to Shanghai last year and there were, in fact, homeless people around. Not many at all, but I was surprised to see any.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know who that is.

I read news articles.

The news articles I read said they offer homeless people housing for work, if they refuse they are "reeducated" which is one of the many ways people dissapear in the China meat grinder.