This is why I've become an accelerationist, pissing off massive swaths of Lemmy tankies and libs. We likely need these consequences so people make more active, informed decisions in the future. I'm old enough now that I see people making the same mistakes over and over and over again.

Unfortunately, we're talking generations here before we see positive results. We didn't really condemn terrible leaders of the past until they were swept deep into the margins of history.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

This is actually the sentiment that I see a lot of Trump supporters use to support him in real life. They don't like him. But they're fed up with every other politician. They're unwavering when he's burning things down because that's what they want him to do

[–] anachrohack@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago

When they said "recklessly greedy bigoted zealots", did you honestly think they weren't talking about conservatives?

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That’s where you messed up. The current administration of chaos is extremely efficient at putting the horrors outside of people’s direct vision. Comparatively, very few people are going to arrive home to find their neighbor on fire and feel compelled to act.

Better social safety nets and better education can put people in stable enough circumstances they can become socially aware of problems beyond themselves. By that point they don’t even need to be pushed into it. And Democrats - not all of them but plenty of them - have championed those policies. But they’ve been thoroughly crushed now by “both sides” mentality because they don’t have a violent expulsion reaction to being crushed by accelerationism.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

That’s where you messed up.

fails to convince me I "messed up" on anything in any possible way, stance unchanged.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

You talked about needing consequences so that people make more informed decisions. I was trying to illustrate to you how the current path of consequences is built to dismantle informed decisions.

There are millions of Americans being asked “Regretting your choices yet???” and answering “wdym? Everything is fine. You read too much of the news.”

So if your motivation for accelerationism is spite and anger, nothing to criticize. But if you’re in favor of the harm caused because you think it will lead to people changing their minds anytime soon, you are grossly misreading the current path.