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Yes it is. Ohhh that reminds me of when Obama and Hillary decided to destroy the country of Libya and then NATO refused to participate in post war investigations and threatened the UN that they’d better not find any evidence of NATO war crimes there lol
They didn't destroy Libya. Gaddafi did when he massacred his own people during an already-ongoing civil war. NATO did nothing but impose a no-fly zone, because Gaddafi was massacring civilians with helicopters.
NATO also had obtained the voted support of the UN Security Council to impose this no-fly zone.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
Did you want the US to invade Libya? Cool, me too. Would've saved Libyans from slavery. The international community didn't want that.
Highly relevant - this wasn't even US-led:
So not only not bad, and not illegal, but also not even a US mission.
Why is Sarkozy in jail again?
For bribing judges and illegal campaign funding. How is this relevant?
Also, fuck Sarkozy not just for that but for this:
Where did the Illegal campaign financing come from?
Man if you look it up, a fucking lot of places. The Libyan guy's money he stole was only one piece of it.
Dudes a real shitbird.
Why do you think France, under the leadership of Sarkozy, largely led the initial effort against Libya?
This isn't, as you say, a US led mistake. Also, the treatment of the franco-sphere areas of Africa are extremely horrible. France is not a country you want to be a colony of.
You don't have to justify the murderous actions of another countries empire.
I don't think it was a mistake. I think the UN should have occupied Libya after Gaddafi fell.
I definitely agree re French colonies. Maybe the worst thing about colonialism is the total lack of responsibility colonial powers felt after their colony was "liberated," because it will impact so many more generations than the actual colonialism.
That being said, Gaddafi was a murderous tyrant and I'm glad he's dead.
Also I doubt very seriously Sarkozy supported that intervention to get that money, since he would have gotten that money without said intervention and also because the money wasn't tied to the intervention but to oil deals. French imports of Libyan oil have declined precipitously since the intervention
https://www.statista.com/statistics/459740/france-total-amount-petroleum-imported-libya/
Declined further than domestic production
https://www.statista.com/statistics/265194/oil-production-in-libya-in-barrels-per-day/
You keep insulting me as if I'm going to feel bad about knowing more than you. Conspiracy theories aren't a good look. Real life is complicated.
You don't know more than me. You think you do because you believe US propaganda, and only US propaganda. You take it at face value and get sanctimonious about people who actually do know more than you.
Cause that would go so well. It went well for Korea, Vietnam, Haiti, Iraq, Afghanistan. I mean hell, name one American occupation that has gone well. The only ones I can think of are Japan and Germany. Both of which notably never really punished the financial elites in those countries for their crimes. But that is a distraction. Can you name me an American Occupation that didn't result in horrific war crimes, or resulted in a stable government in the last 80 years?
This is why some of the others are calling you a monster.
Also, and I know pre-emptively you'll ignore this and call it a conspiracy theory, but to be pedantic, Sarkozy didn't need more money, he already had it. It was to destroy the documentation for the money that he had already received. It was to destroy the evidence.
I'd also love to see your blood thirst be applied evenly, because it isn't. Frankly, the worst country in the world by basically every metric, we're perfectly fine with. Specifically Saudi Arabia.
You’re an extremely disgusting human being lol. At this point you’ll excuse the worst crimes against humanity imaginable because you think doing so is owning Trump
Nope I just know what reality is.