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[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The point here is that there is no banner you can organize these people around. You can perfectly see the truth of the latter part of this statement in how most of the people who voted for Trump voted utterly against their own material interests, but still think they are in the right to have done so because the world will burn while they can watch everyone being dragged down to their level.

Hyperbolically stated, of course. There was in Marxes day no real way to reach people that weren't working with a message about shared ownership of the productive forces and that's not really changed in 2025. It is actually one of the biggest problems facing socialists today.

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Though it's interesting how the left has historically been pretty active among students who also haven't been in the workforce.

[–] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Education does that. But also, education is always framed in the context of "you're learning this do that it can be applied in the workforce later", which I would say is a pretty direct tie to the workforce

[–] Dengalicious@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago

As well as the fact students aren’t isolated in the same way lumpenproletariat are so they may be less reactionary due to social connections and exposure to differing worldviews

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago

Historically it's often been the case that students drank at the same bars as working people and poor tradesmen. Students, whatever their family means, were often cash poor and had to stay wherever they could find cheap lodgings, which often meant in the middle of working class neighborhoods. And there have been plenty of students throughout history who worked until they could afford tuition, went to school until they ran out of money, then went back to work for however long before seeking employment.

Universities are also frequently located in cities that are large, important, or both. So there's a couple of reasons they'd be in close communication with working people.

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago

True, but you can reach students en masse at the place they are learning.