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Young, vibrant and bubbly, YouTuber Tiba al-Ali became a hit with her fun-loving videos about her life.

She started her channel after moving from her native Iraq to Turkey at the age of 17 in 2017, talking about her independence, her fiancé, make-up and other things. Tiba appeared happy and attracted tens of thousands of subscribers.

This January she went back to Iraq to visit her family - and was murdered by her father. However, the killing was not considered to have been "pre-meditated" and her father was sentenced to only six months in prison.

Tiba's death sparked protests across Iraq about its laws regarding so-called "honour killings", the case highlighting how women are treated in a country where conservative attitudes remain dominant.

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[–] ickplant@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s like every religion. The world would be MUCH better off if religion overall wasn’t a thing.

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

People keep saying this edgy take but that's impossible. As long as strong beliefs are held true by many individuals, there will always be a religion. Pastafarianism is a great example of an "anti-religion" that promotes the positive morals without the need for a deity (or the flying spaghetti monster as a joke), but in doing so, it ironically became a religion in itself.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your take is edgy and divisive, despite intent. Even religions accept deity independent good depending on interpretation (God commands good because he or she observes it is good, the good isn't arbitrarily good because he or she commands it). But I agree, folks don't like to acknowledge the good religion has historically done in equal measure with the bad. Nuance matters. History is not black and white. So let's not be black and white on religion generally being good or bad.

[–] UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, I'm an atheist myself, but I only choose to be this way after learning about the world and other religions. I'm not about to shatter my grandma's reality that there's no God. It's all about respect at the end of the day.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly. At the end of the day do we care why someone agrees to do something or that something should be permissible, or just that they agree to do something or that something is permissible. I don't care whether or not someone thinks rape or murder is wrong because God commands it or because they have a different moral basis. It's important that we agree that behavior is wrong.

[–] Copernican@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because non religious governments like China don't commit genocide and exercise authoritarian control?

[–] RazorsLedge@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Do they do it BECAUSE they lack religion? Or is that an irrelevant detail you're cherrypicking because it suits your argument?

People commit terrible acts because of their belief in sky fairies. Do people commit terrible acts because they don't believe in sky fairies? (Hint: no)