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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That act literally sabotaged the operation. On purpose.

[–] jarfil@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except the network was already off, he refused to switch it on for a foreign country's operation without his own country's approval. On purpose.

[–] jackoid@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I don't understand why Ukraine didn't ask the US government for this and instead asked Musk directly. Ofc he wouldn't do it unless pressured by the government.

[–] dimath@ttrpg.network -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was the usage according the network terms of service?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let's see... he allowed the Ukrainian military to use Starlink but put it in the ToS that they couldn't actually use it in any military operations.

Yes, that sounds very plausible. Very plausible indeed.

[–] dimath@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's quite possible the internet was intended to be used for communication proposes. For instance, civilian GPS chips shut down themselves if high enough velocity is detected to prevent usage in rockets.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Feel free to present even a shred of evidence that supports this idea. Because as far as I can tell, all you have is "he didn't sabotage it because maybe they violated the TOS" when he admits to sabotaging the operation.

[–] dimath@ttrpg.network -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Evidence of what? I don't know what was the agreement between Musk and US military, but I'm sure if Musk violated it he'll be liable for it.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ITAR look it up. Starlink cannot be used in military applications if it's being used in a commercial application. Musk didn't pull the plug on this, lawyers and the laws did. I don't care for the guy either but get your facts straight before believing what CNNs CEOs book tells you.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Do you have any actual evidence that Isaacson, in his authorized biography of Musk, is lying? Wouldn't Musk have something to say about that since he authorized the biography? Has he denied it? He's pretty quick to tweet all sorts of other things.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That tweet you posted to another person is literally that, ITAR. I'm guessing you still haven't even looked into what it is.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please explain why the DoD negotiated a contract to use Starlink in Ukraine if the Ukrainians couldn't use it in a military capacity.

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They specifically used it for civilian applications and communications. ITAR specifically forbids a company to allow their commercial products while they are supplying a service to be used in a military capacity.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then why did the DoD negotiate a deal with them?

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because the DoD is using different panels. They're not using off the shelf stuff. This is normal for the military. Think of it like the hmmvws. Civ hummer is not designed to do anything the military one is. Completely different applicantions.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you're saying that Ukraine wanted to use civilian Starlink for this operation even though they had the military Starlink?

[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

They do not have the military starlink, the US military is still developing applications for it. The only widely available access to Starlink is via the commercial access. We've not provided Ukraine with anything cutting edge because we don't want it to fall into russian hands. It's why we're sending them shit from the 80s and 90s.