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Who is behind the great rock’n’roll ripoff? How Ticketmaster swallowed the live entertainment scene
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Alright now, let's not get into an argument about The Monkees. In 1967, they outsold both The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, so they're not nobodies. And just to clear up a few fallacies, Mike was an accomplished guitarist and bassist, Peter could play banjo, bass, and keyboards, and Davy was a drummer. (They didn't want to put Davy behind the drums because he was short, and they were afraid he wouldn't be seen.) They were not allowed to play their instruments or even have any input on the songs they recorded on the first two albums by Don Kirshner, the person hired by Colgems as music supervisor for the TV show. It was their 3rd album (not 4th) that they were finally able to get control. The resulting album - Headquarters - Rolling Stone magazine called one of the 500 you should hear before you die. They went on to make six more albums up to 1970 where they had complete control over the songs and played on them. They even had a top 20 album in 2016 on their 50th anniversary called Good Times, with all four members contributing (a previously recorded vocal track by Davy, who was deceased at the time, was digitally cleaned up and put over new music).
Yes, they were the Prefab Four, but Micky likes to use the metaphor that Pinocchio became a real boy. They were put together to act like a band, but they actually became a real band.
Also, You're wrong Nemesth made up that he outsold The Beatles and The Stones.
Source: https://flashbak.com/in-1977-mike-nesmith-fooled-the-world-when-the-monkees-sold-more-records-than-the-beatles-and-rolling-stones-combined-386535/
Yeah, no. They were entirely a product, based on The Beatles Success. Drummer couldn't even play any instrument before they went on tour.
Yeah and Justin Bieber's early music outsold Outkast.
You can like corporate produced slop, targeted to get mass mainstream appeal. That's what it's for that doesn't make it good though. Case and point, approach a stranger on the street and ask them to name as many songs by The Beatles, or The Stones, or The Kinks and then the Monkees and see what has actual staying power because I guarantee you it's not The Monkees. Music is the most invasive artform in the world, you don't get a choice, out in the world if people are playing something you don't like. That's why people galvanise so strongly around likes and dislikes. It's not I don't care for U2, it's I hate U2 and vice versa. You subconciously redirect your emotional state at the time, onto the music you listen to. Why do you think so many dudes wind up listening to the music their Parents liked as they get older, it reminds them of better times. Mass appeal in the short term is strictly for profit. That's what The Monkees were for. We don't have to debate this, we all know this and record companies have been buying their own songs to make them number 1 since the beginning of Tin Pan Alley. So, they outsold The Beatles one year, means nothing. There are people born within the last 20 years that can sing along to the entire tracklist of Sgt. Pepper's. Which came out 50 years before they were born. But you're a Monkee, so of course you'll Monkee around.