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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I have been considering at what point is accumulation immortal.

Clearly, location matters. I think certainly by $100 million, one is immoral ($4 million to safety spend each year.) Perhaps $10 million is immoral. I am fairly certain $5 million ($200K to spend in a year) is okay. I am confident that $1 million is fine ($40K per year.)

Thoughs?

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (3 children)

My idea is to implement a wealth tax rate of 3% on everything above an exempt amount of $10 million, that is to be paid annually.

This way, there is no hard limit. You can have more money without going to jail, but you have to help the community.


The rule would work something like this:

  1. the rule applies to all citizens of the United States
  2. calculate the total wealth of the person:
    • items such as money on bank accounts, shares in companies, real estate, and other valuables are estimated and added
    • debts and other negative value can be deducted
  3. if the amount is less than $10 million, no taxes are paid
  4. otherwise, subtract $10 million from the total net worth, then multiply by 0.03, that is the value that you have to pay

this procedure is to be repeated annually

to prevent people from giving up their US citizenship and taking on the citizenship of some other country, which may not have a wealth tax, there needs to be a way to make sure the US citizenship remains attractive to people. for example, if you do not have US citizenship, you're not allowed to possess more than $10 million in total wealth inside the US, i.e. in real estate, company shares and bank accounts.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 7 points 22 hours ago

That's called a wealth tax and it exists in (for example) the Netherlands. All assets except your house over 57k€ are taxed every year.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 3 points 21 hours ago

My idea is to implement a wealth tax rate of 3% on everything above an exempt amount of $10 million, that is to be paid annually.

Not enough. Their fortunes need to actually shrink when above a certain amount. 7%+ is where we need to be to even counter their annual growth.

Accumulating that much wealth isn't just bad because it's unfair, it's bad because it gives them so much influence in politics, economy and society which damages Democracy and markets.

[–] Scipitie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 21 hours ago

You put the finger in the wound with that ruleset though - first the negative of what you've said:

if you don't allow debt to be calculated against you fuck Up people who literally want to invest in their future (buying machinery for their dream job for example).

If you do allow debt dedication then you get the status quo: oh I do owe a yacht but I have w huge debt on that - sure I have a collateral against that debt but here is clever accounting and suddenly the net worth of the billionaire is negative on paper.

I really like what you've described, I only lack the fantasy on how to avoid this banking exploitation by peiple who are smarter and more ruthless than me. :(

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

my first assumption is being more wealthy than 95% of the population is immoral
But if hypothetically if everyone had 5 million and you have 5 million + one, I wouldn't say having $1 more is immoral.

idk, that's an interesting question. That's gonna be in my head for a while lol

[–] desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

4% interest is an odd assumption, but the amounts makes some sense considering that 100K per year is an amount someone can reasonably live off of with a house.

[–] homura1650@lemm.ee 5 points 1 day ago

4% is widely used as a safe withdrawal rate. It's based on modelling with historical data of market returns and achieving a near 100% probability of not drawing down your principle over the long term.